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Cincydawg

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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #56 on: May 12, 2023, 09:54:02 AM »
Explain that to me better ....


(Actually, being on a huge run isn't really all it seems like it could be, personally.)
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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #57 on: May 12, 2023, 10:26:06 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 12, 2023, 09:54:02 AM
Explain that to me better ....


(Actually, being on a huge run isn't really all it seems like it could be, personally.)
We had a nice run in the late 90s thru 2000s.  I liked it.  I liked it a LOT more than I've liked the last decade+.
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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #58 on: May 12, 2023, 10:30:32 AM »
We've noted before how a fan base often is disappointed by a very solid season that doesn't include an NC.  I think TCU fans for example should take some pride in their team's performance.  Michigan fans are perplexed, as am I, about their playoff performances, but they beat OSU twice and won the B1G.

Bama fans are seriously depressed. Fine with me.
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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #59 on: May 12, 2023, 10:39:03 AM »
Husker fans and boosters of substance being seriously depressed in 2003 caused some poor decisions
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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #60 on: May 12, 2023, 10:46:14 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 12, 2023, 10:30:32 AM
We've noted before how a fan base often is disappointed by a very solid season that doesn't include an NC.  I think TCU fans for example should take some pride in their team's performance.  Michigan fans are perplexed, as am I, about their playoff performances, but they beat OSU twice and won the B1G.

Bama fans are seriously depressed. Fine with me.
Michigan played a fairly bad game against TCU and lost.  Georgia played a fairly bad game against Ohio State and won.

And then TCU played a really bad game and got whipped.  Even their best game wouldn't have beaten Georgia, but it would have been a lot closer.
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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #61 on: May 12, 2023, 10:52:43 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 10, 2023, 06:42:55 AM
I probably prefer a metric based on all time top ten finishes or being ranked or giving points based on the AP final ranking, etc., if one really needs a ranking of this ilk.
I like the top-10 finishes idea in theory and Ohio State does very well there, all-time AP top-10 finishes:
  • 47 Bama
  • 45 Oklahoma 
  • 42 Ohio State 
  • 40 Michigan 
  • 39 Notre Dame 
  • 30 Nebraska 
  • 29 USC
  • 28 Penn State 
  • 27 Georgia 
  • 27 Texas 
  • 24 Tennessee 
  • 23 LSU
  • 20 Florida State 
  • 19 Florida 
  • 19 Auburn 
  • 17 Miami, FL
  • 17 Michigan State 
  • 17 UCLA
  • 14 Wisconsin 
  • 14 Arkansas 
  • 13 Clemson 
  • 13 Washington 
  • 13 Iowa
  • 13 aTm
  • 11 TCU
  • 11 GaTech
  • 11 Ole Miss
  • 10 Pitt
  • 10 Minnesota 
  • 10 Oregon 
That is all the teams with double-digit top-10 finishes. 

The issue I have with this sort of ranking is that it creates something of a false dichotomy. Three problems:
  • There is a big difference between finishing #1 and finishing #10, this treats those as equal,
  • There is VERY little difference between finishing #10 and finishing #11, this treats those as VERY different, and
  • There is a humongous difference between finishing #11 and going 1-11, this treats those as equal.

It really is hard to devise a ranking methodology that handles all of this well.
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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #62 on: May 12, 2023, 10:59:28 AM »
One can accord a #1 finish with 10 points and a #10 finish with 1 point of course.  It won't change that much.  WE'll get roughly the same rank order using just about any credible metric.

I'd lean to putting OSU at the top because of their dearth of bad runs.
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« Reply #63 on: May 12, 2023, 12:04:17 PM »
Yup, Ohio State's consistent excellence is truly remarkable.
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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #64 on: May 12, 2023, 02:07:38 PM »
It ranks up there with Bama's Saban success I think, maybe it's higher.  Saban is widely considered the GOAT, and I have no particular issue with that though I know some other coaches way back could also be considered.  That Heisman guy might be in the running.  I'd put OSU and Bama neck and neck at the top for now by weighting more recent results more heavily.  I think it drops off then to USC/Texas/Nebraska/Michigan/ND.  Then you get a bunch of programs roughly similar.
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