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OrangeAfroMan

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A Cutoff for Kings
« on: May 01, 2023, 08:17:02 PM »
I was jotting down the all-time records of the All-Time teams I offer in Whoa Nellie and I noticed something.
400 all-time losses is a kind of cutoff at this time.
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Why 400?
Well, several of the "kings" or "helmets" that have been relatively weak in the past 20 years are approaching 400 losses, while the stronger ones are nowhere near it.
Also, the lower kings or next tier down (but still high) may already have 400 losses, but not many more, because they've really slowed their 'L' column lately.
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***This does not include johnny-come-latelies like FSU, Miami, etc.  The cutoff on all-time games for this is around 1150.  Below that cutoff, you have programs like UCLA and MSU jumping into groups they have no business being in.
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So here's the evidence:
Nebraska, Penn St, Texas, and Tennessee have 392, 398, 380, and 392 losses, respectively.
At the same time, Georgia has 405, LSU 418, and Florida 429. 
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But if you look at the elites, you have Bama with only 309, OSU with 264, OU with 318, ND with 320, USC has 322, and UM with 345.  These programs will not approach 400 losses for another 25-30 years.
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Penn State isn't struggling, but Nebraska, Texas, and Tennessee may "fall" behind Georgia in the next decade or so.  Like objectively. 
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Just something random and interesting to me.  Also, Illinois is .500 all-time.  617-617-49






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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2023, 10:16:44 PM »
A king is never cutoff

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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2023, 10:33:49 PM »
Texas and Tennessee should be crossover rivals. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2023, 12:01:02 AM »
A king is never cutoff
Ask Louis XVI how that turned out. 

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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2023, 12:04:33 PM »
But if you look at the elites, you have Bama with only 309, OSU with 264.
The Buckeyes tend to have less games than the other "Kings" in part because for many years they were on Quarters and didn't start football until students were on campus so they ended up with one less game. 

Also, the Big Ten until the 1970's had the RoseBowl only, no-repeat, and "longest loser tiebreaker" rules in effect and those combine to severely limit Ohio State's Bowl appearances. 

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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2023, 12:19:42 PM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2023, 01:04:50 PM »
Texas and Tennessee should be crossover rivals.
I'd love to play UTenn.  But I'd rather play OU, Arkansas, and Texas A&M every year.

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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2023, 01:19:50 PM »
Yes, the division would be on the annual too.
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2023, 01:43:24 PM »
May be an image of 2 people, television and text that says 'WHEN IT'S TIME TO WATCH NEBRASKA HIGHLIGHTS'
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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2023, 01:45:39 PM »
A 9 win season in the SEC is like 13 wins elsewhere ....

Humans have a thing for "round numbers".  Instead of 400, why not 391 or 385?  The Ohio State history remains impressive, a real outlier.


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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2023, 02:05:22 PM »
I prefer the odd number 9 to the round number 10

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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2023, 03:38:50 PM »
Yes, the division would be on the annual too.

They mothballed talk of divisions pretty early on, sounds like they're favoring something along the lines of having 3 permanent rivals, and then rotating all of the other schools.  In which case I'd prefer our three historical rivals.  And if they do 3-6-6 then everyone would play everyone else at least twice every four years, which would be okay I suppose.

In that case we'd get to play the Vols twice every four years.  And Georgia, and Alabama, and LSU, and Florida.  All of which I'd be excited to see on the schedule so often.


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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2023, 11:31:07 PM »
Aw, now I am picking up what you are laying down. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: A Cutoff for Kings
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2023, 07:32:50 AM »
Cool,  4 team mini conferences 
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