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Topic: #7 Penn State (3-1, 6-1) at #3 Ohio State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game

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Re: #7 Penn State (3-1, 6-1) at #3 Ohio State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #112 on: October 22, 2023, 08:19:06 AM »
Right now who has had better seasons than JJ or MH? But I'd like gladly hand the hardware to JJ - and the Bowl curse that goes with it
JJ's problem, IMHO, is twofold:

First, Michigan simply isn't a throwing team so while his per attempt numbers are great his totals aren't. 

Second, you need a "Heisman moment" and for that you need a decent opponent, preferably in a game LOTS of people watch. Ohio State, for example, has had two top-ten matches and I would honestly guess that the tOSU games against ND and PSU had more viewers than all of Michigan's games combined. 

JJ will get opportunities on the big stage but he is hurt there by playing PSU after tOSU beat them so JJ may not get a really high-end game until after Thanksgiving and the B1G-W is so bad that the B1GCG will not help so that doesn't leave much.

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Re: #7 Penn State (3-1, 6-1) at #3 Ohio State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #113 on: October 22, 2023, 08:23:15 AM »
JJ's problem, IMHO, is twofold:

First, Michigan simply isn't a throwing team so while his per attempt numbers are great his totals aren't.

Second, you need a "Heisman moment" and for that you need a decent opponent, preferably in a game LOTS of people watch. Ohio State, for example, has had two top-ten matches and I would honestly guess that the tOSU games against ND and PSU had more viewers than all of Michigan's games combined.
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Re: #7 Penn State (3-1, 6-1) at #3 Ohio State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #114 on: October 22, 2023, 08:45:43 AM »
my guess....JJ and Marv give zero f**ks about the Heisman...all they care about is the TEAM and winning the B1G and winning THE GAME....and probably also the NFL. 

Marv has cemented himself already as a top 3 pick. I'd probably take him #1 overall if I was picking first. I know, have to take the QB in the NFL, but to me there is no such thing as a sure thing in any draft. Marv is about as close as it gets. He's a day one high-level starter at WR in the NFL and a guy you draft and have for a decade or decade plus filled with Pro Bowl/All-Pro seasons. Caleb Williams could be a bust, Drake Maye could be a bust. Marv bust factor...extremely low. Keep it simple, stupid. Take the best player in the draft. Lions should've did this the past draft and just taken Jalen Carter- who was the best player in that draft- when he fell from the heavens to them at #6. But, nope. KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID.

JJ will have a shot at playing his way into the 1st rd if he keeps playing like he has been in big games vs PSU/OSU and if he can continue that level of play on into the post-season.

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Re: #7 Penn State (3-1, 6-1) at #3 Ohio State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #115 on: October 22, 2023, 03:49:23 PM »
I don’t know if Allar stinks, the WRs stink, the OL stinks or 3 of them stink.

Neither he nor McCord acquitted themselves as well as I thought they would.  They both had pretty bad games.

That said, that shouldn't take away from a good job by the defenses.  Legit squads.  I did come away thinking a good QB with some talent around him can do battle with them, tho.  

Heckuva entertaining game.  All us fans down on the bayou are Vitamin D deficient.  Where "D" is for defense, of course, so I have to watch the Big Ten teams to get the proper weekly dose.  

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Re: #7 Penn State (3-1, 6-1) at #3 Ohio State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #116 on: October 22, 2023, 03:53:48 PM »
When I watch us play, I just get a weakly dose :)

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Re: #7 Penn State (3-1, 6-1) at #3 Ohio State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #117 on: October 22, 2023, 04:21:19 PM »
Neither he nor McCord acquitted themselves as well as I thought they would.  They both had pretty bad games.

That said, that shouldn't take away from a good job by the defenses.  Legit squads.  I did come away thinking a good QB with some talent around him can do battle with them, tho. 

Heckuva entertaining game.  All us fans down on the bayou are Vitamin D deficient.  Where "D" is for defense, of course, so I have to watch the Big Ten teams to get the proper weekly dose. 
Kind of what I took away.

McCord is no Stroud  ( but who is?)

He missed some open guys.  That said- he finished 22-35 ( 63%) for 286 yards, 1 TD and no picks. 
That was against the #1 ranked pass defense in CFB.

More importantly- in crunch time late, when they needed him most- he came through with some great throws.
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Re: #7 Penn State (3-1, 6-1) at #3 Ohio State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #118 on: October 22, 2023, 08:21:31 PM »
my guess....JJ and Marv give zero f**ks about the Heisman...all they care about is the TEAM and winning the B1G and winning THE GAME....and probably also the NFL.
I agree with everything here except the "probably".

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Re: #7 Penn State (3-1, 6-1) at #3 Ohio State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #119 on: October 22, 2023, 08:23:08 PM »
More importantly- in crunch time late, when they needed him most- he came through with some great throws.
This is my optimistic view.  The D definitely looks legit and that *should* keep any scheduled or potential game in reach and well, the offense hasn't failed when needed yet.
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Re: #7 Penn State (3-1, 6-1) at #3 Ohio State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #120 on: October 23, 2023, 10:28:55 AM »
Kind of what I took away.

McCord is no Stroud  ( but who is?)

He missed some open guys.  That said- he finished 22-35 ( 63%) for 286 yards, 1 TD and no picks. 
That was against the #1 ranked pass defense in CFB.

More importantly- in crunch time late, when they needed him most- he came through with some great throws.

I agree with the effect, though not completely with the cause.  IMO, when the team needed it most, it was MHJr. more so than McCord making something happen.  He polished a few turds out there, seemed like.  But, I haven't rewatched anything, I might feel differently if I were to take a closer look at things.....ymmv.  

IMO MHJr. was the key difference maker.  As I suspected, Penn St. just doesn't have elite weapons on the outside that can stress a defense.  Meanwhile, Marv is one of those special players who can win against any defender, sometimes against double coverage, and make an "okay" QB's play look a little better than it is.  

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Re: #7 Penn State (3-1, 6-1) at #3 Ohio State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #121 on: October 23, 2023, 10:31:52 AM »
I agree with the effect, though not completely with the cause.  IMO, when the team needed it most, it was MHJr. more so than McCord making something happen.  He polished a few turds out there, seemed like.  But, I haven't rewatched anything, I might feel differently if I were to take a closer look at things.....ymmv. 

IMO MHJr. was the key difference maker.  As I suspected, Penn St. just doesn't have elite weapons on the outside that can stress a defense.  Meanwhile, Marv is one of those special players who can win against any defender, sometimes against double coverage, and make an "okay" QB's play look a little better than it is. 
Generally agree. McCord hit the TE Stover and also the WR Fleming during crunch time as well.  
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Re: #7 Penn State (3-1, 6-1) at #3 Ohio State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #122 on: October 23, 2023, 10:49:07 AM »
Think about what a player like Marvin Harrison Jr.'s effect is on a game that goes beyond the numbers.  Guys like him are winning for his team even when the play has nothing to do with them.

Case in point:  think about Penn State's scoop and score that could've changed the entire game.  It got nullified....why?  Because Marv was out there winning and caused a Lion defender to hold him, because what else can he do, lest he get beat?  That entire sequence of events was undone for PSU because Marv is just better than everybody else, no matter whether McCord could've gotten him the ball or not.  Just the threat turned disaster into a first down.  

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Re: #7 Penn State (3-1, 6-1) at #3 Ohio State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #123 on: October 23, 2023, 11:25:41 AM »
Think about what a player like Marvin Harrison Jr.'s effect is on a game that goes beyond the numbers.  Guys like him are winning for his team even when the play has nothing to do with them.

Case in point:  think about Penn State's scoop and score that could've changed the entire game.  It got nullified....why?  Because Marv was out there winning and caused a Lion defender to hold him, because what else can he do, lest he get beat?  That entire sequence of events was undone for PSU because Marv is just better than everybody else, no matter whether McCord could've gotten him the ball or not.  Just the threat turned disaster into a first down. 
no doubt about it. Marv changes life and changes the math for opposing defenes. There isn't a CB in CFB that can deal with him 1 on 1. Have to roll a safety over top or double him- and that still doesn't work most of the time.

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Re: #7 Penn State (3-1, 6-1) at #3 Ohio State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #125 on: October 24, 2023, 02:09:32 PM »
that catch and run TD at 7:30 by Marv....pretty impressive. A 6'3+, 210+ dude that can run after the catch like that....don't grow on trees.

I'm taking him #1 overall if I have the #1 pick. Not sold on Caleb Williams or Drake Maye being a surefire things. Don't get me wrong they are both really good with tons of talent, but not seeing Trevor Lawerence or Andrew Luck in either of them. Those two guys were just...yeah, duh. Not even seeing CJ Stroud- who was one of the most accurate passers with insane ball placement I've ever seen out of a college QB.

 

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