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Topic: #6 Ohio State (4-0, 1-0) at #9 Notre Dame (4-1) Postgame

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Re: #6 Ohio State (4-0, 1-0) at #9 Notre Dame (4-1) Postgame
« Reply #56 on: September 24, 2023, 09:13:21 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on September 24, 2023, 09:09:44 PM
My main worry coming out of that game is the short yardage run game, which is again not reliable. It says something that they scored on the last play mostly because Notre Dame forgot to run out 11 guys (and it was still real close)
ND forgot to run out 11 guys on the final two plays of the game. 

Marcus Freeman may be in over his head. Not sure the ND job is one for a young head coach to learn on the job. I understand the players wanted him and ND didn't want to lose him- he's a heckuva DC and elite recruiter, but being the HC at a place like ND is quite an ask for a young guy to learn how to be a HC on the fly.
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Re: #6 Ohio State (4-0, 1-0) at #9 Notre Dame (4-1) Postgame
« Reply #57 on: September 24, 2023, 09:15:10 PM »
a heckuva DC can get 11 defenders on the field
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Re: #6 Ohio State (4-0, 1-0) at #9 Notre Dame (4-1) Postgame
« Reply #58 on: September 24, 2023, 09:20:31 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 24, 2023, 09:15:10 PM
a heckuva DC can get 11 defenders on the field
well, ya got me there.
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Re: #6 Ohio State (4-0, 1-0) at #9 Notre Dame (4-1) Postgame
« Reply #59 on: September 24, 2023, 11:38:42 PM »
A lot of ND fans making a big issue of them apparently only having 10 guys on the field for the last two plays. Some saying Ohio State's win should have an asterisk. 

LoL. Teams make mistakes. Ohio State made mistakes Saturday night too. If mistakes by the losing team resulted in asterisk wins then literally every win would have an asterisk. 
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Re: #6 Ohio State (4-0, 1-0) at #9 Notre Dame (4-1) Postgame
« Reply #60 on: September 25, 2023, 07:40:10 AM »
It should be a green asterisk to remind Irish fans how their team screwed the pooch.  The Buckeyes can't be slighted for ND's mistakes.
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Re: #6 Ohio State (4-0, 1-0) at #9 Notre Dame (4-1) Postgame
« Reply #61 on: September 25, 2023, 07:41:07 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on September 25, 2023, 07:40:10 AM
It should be a green asterisk to remind Irish fans how their team screwed the pooch.  The Buckeyes can't be slighted for ND's mistakes.
Plus OSU made plenty of their own.  
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Re: #6 Ohio State (4-0, 1-0) at #9 Notre Dame (4-1) Postgame
« Reply #62 on: September 25, 2023, 07:50:43 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on September 24, 2023, 11:38:42 PM
A lot of ND fans making a big issue of them apparently only having 10 guys on the field for the last two plays. Some saying Ohio State's win should have an asterisk.

If I were the fans or the head coach, I'd stick an asterisk up an assistant coach's ass for the error
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Re: #6 Ohio State (4-0, 1-0) at #9 Notre Dame (4-1) Postgame
« Reply #63 on: September 25, 2023, 08:20:18 AM »
Ohio States fans, some of them, want an asterisk for last year's CFP semifinal.  Fine with me if it makes them feel better.

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« Reply #64 on: September 25, 2023, 08:44:07 AM »
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Re: #6 Ohio State (4-0, 1-0) at #9 Notre Dame (4-1) Postgame
« Reply #65 on: September 25, 2023, 09:49:49 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 25, 2023, 08:20:18 AM
Ohio States fans, some of them, want an asterisk for last year's CFP semifinal.  Fine with me if it makes them feel better.
I'm not one of them. I DO think that the overturn of targeting to no penalty at all on the play that took out Marv was odd but the problem with complaining about officiating is that there are bad calls in every game. I'm sure some UGA fan could point out a few bad calls that went Ohio State's way.

A great example in the NC Game from 2002. Miami fans (all three of them) are still mad about the PI call. Even if I agreed that it was a bad call*, I could still respond by pointing out the uncalled block in the back on Miami's long punt return to set up OT or the 3rd down conversion catch by tOSU on their last possession that was incorrectly ruled incomplete. 

I don't make the argument for an asterisk based on officiating but I can at least see yhe argument. A bad call is an outside factor. As I see it, a mistake by one of the teams is a completely different thing. 

*I don't agree that it was a bad call, a bit ticky-tack maybe. However the DB made contact while the ball was in the air. 
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Re: #6 Ohio State (4-0, 1-0) at #9 Notre Dame (4-1) Postgame
« Reply #66 on: September 25, 2023, 09:52:58 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on September 25, 2023, 07:40:10 AM
It should be a green asterisk to remind Irish fans how their team screwed the pooch.  The Buckeyes can't be slighted for ND's mistakes.
My Old Boss had a phrase that was framed in his office "Lack of planning on your part,does not constitute an emergancy on my part" so ya. Some other coach it could have been Jimmy Johnson or Bobby Bowden after running up scores by 5-6-7 TDs. "It's not my job to stop our offense"
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Re: #6 Ohio State (4-0, 1-0) at #9 Notre Dame (4-1) Postgame
« Reply #67 on: September 25, 2023, 10:14:08 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 25, 2023, 08:20:18 AM
Ohio States fans, some of them, want an asterisk for last year's CFP semifinal.  Fine with me if it makes them feel better.
Well actually I wanted our starting RBs/WRs/TE who were out with injures back in the game.
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Re: #6 Ohio State (4-0, 1-0) at #9 Notre Dame (4-1) Postgame
« Reply #68 on: September 25, 2023, 10:19:43 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on September 25, 2023, 09:49:49 AM
A great example in the NC Game from 2002. Miami fans (all three of them) are still mad about the PI call. Even if I agreed that it was a bad call*, I could still respond by pointing out the uncalled block in the back on Miami's long punt return to set up OT or the 3rd down conversion catch by tOSU on their last possession that was incorrectly ruled incomplete.
Still on YouTube somewhere Chris Gamble was held twice on the same play when he faked cutting insdide and then when he jukes to the sideline. Believe it was "Oh Nellie" himself who called it
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Re: #6 Ohio State (4-0, 1-0) at #9 Notre Dame (4-1) Postgame
« Reply #69 on: September 25, 2023, 10:40:18 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on September 25, 2023, 10:19:43 AM
Still on YouTube somewhere Chris Gamble was held twice on the same play when he faked cutting insdide and then when he jukes to the sideline. Believe it was "Oh Nellie" himself who called it
It was and he completely screwed up the call because he initially said that it was almost intercepted. 

I forgot about the two holdings but you are right, Ohio State actually would have gotten the first down three times on that play:
  • Gamble was held cutting inside. Automatic first down. 
  • Gamble was held again cutting back outside. Automatic first down. 
  • Gamble caught the ball and was tackled in bounds, first down and the clock runs as soon as the ball is set.


The point isn't that Ohio State got screwed it is that if the loser wants all the bad calls that went against them changed then the winner can ask for the same thing. Same applies to tOSU/UGA which is why I don't make that big of a deal out of the targeting non-call.
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