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I hate all the FCS games.

I thought that *MAYBE* we were deep enough into the season to start to be able to identify patterns by looking at results compared to the results of other teams that played the same opponent. 

We would be if it weren't for all the crap FCS games.

Problem #1 is that both tOSU (YSU) and Notre Dame (TNST) have played an FCS opponent. 

Problem #2 is that all seven of tOSU's and ND's opponents have played an FCS opponent so that doesn't leave much in the way of comparable results. 

For Ohio State:
Their 23-3 win over IU and their 63-10 win over WKU were the most points scored against and the fewest points allowed to both teams. 

For Notre Dame, their results were also the best against their FBS opponents except:

• NCST scored the same against UCONN
• UNH scored more against CMU
• MSU allowed less to CMU

Ohio State 27

Notre Dame 24

Book it Danl.

looks about right to me but flip the scores. think it's gonna be a really close game. either team can win it, it's a real pick 'em imo. think ND will get it done bc of Hartman and his experience and bc it's at home at night. 

I'm not sure that you can learn anything from FCS games but if you can:
Ohio State beat YSU 35-7.  In YSU's other two games they scored 52 and 48 while giving up 10 and 28.  
Notre Dame beat TnSt 56-3.  In TnSt's other two games they scored 24 and 27 while giving up 14 and 25.  

It looks like Notre Dame had a better score (both offensively and defensively) but Ohio State played a better FCS team.  That is all kinda hazy and a guess so I don't think you can make any significant distinction.  

In their games against actual FBS opponents:


Ohio State looks the shakiest when you compare their performance against IU to Louisville's performance against IU.  Louisville scored almost as much and gave up almost as little.  Also, in both cases the Hoosiers never led.  The difference is that Indiana scored both of their TD's against Lousiville in the third quarter so the entire fourth quarter of the IU/Lousiville game was a one-score game and on Indiana's last possession against the Cardinals they drove all the way to the Louisville one yard line.  Louisville stopped them on a 4th and goal at the 1.  In the IU/tOSU game the Buckeyes held a two-score lead throughout the 4th quarter and almost the entire second half so the game was barely in doubt past halftime.  

Ohio State looks best when you compare their performance against WKY.  The Hilltoppers have an otherwise prolific offense that has averaged 46.5 against opponents not named tOSU.  The Buckeyes held them to 10.  The Hilltoppers D hasn't been awful either.  They gave up 24 to USF and tOSU nearly tripled that.  

Notre Dame looks shakiest when you compare their performance against CMU.  The Chippewas were held to less by MSU and scored gave up more against New Hampshire.  

Notre Dame looks best when you compare their performance against Navy.  

I really don't think there are enough data points here to make anything out of this.  

Ohio State looks better than InSt, Louisville, USF, and Houston Christian.  Notre Dame looks better than Wagner, Memphis, UCONN, VMI, MSU, and New Hampshire.  Well that doesn't tell you anything you didn't already know.  

Jake From Allstate is/was a way better QB than Kyle "stares down first read only" McCord.

ND goes up big early; OSU makes it look less embarrassing in the 4th quarter.

31-17 Bad Guys.

You may prove right about the game- I don’t know. Seems like a toss up to me??

But about McCord- wow. Your narrative is so far off the facts.

In his first start where you got first team reps you go 19 of 23 for over 300 yards, 3 TDS and no picks.  83% completion rate.

You can’t do that unless you are extremely talented- I don’t care who the other team is.

Many of those passes were his second or third read.  Strong and accurate arm- he has all the throws.
Of course he locks onto his first read at times, but what do you expect with really just a couple games under his belt? CJ Stroud was exactly the same in his second and third start. In fact, people wanted him benched for Kyle Mccord. 

yes- a night game at ND is tough for a new QB- so Hartman - a 6th year guy- will likely be better.  But McCord is showing all the signs of a rapidly improving Tier 1 Power 5 QB.

McCord ain't ever going to be those guys.

You are probably right but he's started three games. I don't think we can authoritatively say what his ceiling is yet. 

he doesn't have to be. he just has to not turn the ball over and keep the offense on schedule.

This is especially true if Ohio State's defense and rushing game are elite or near-elite. 

Dude had NFL receivers (plural) and at least one NFL TE to throw to. If he also has an NFL RB, a good OL, and a defense that is at least close to elite then he just needs to be good to win every game on the schedule. 

You may prove right about the game- I don’t know. Seems like a toss up to me??

But about McCord- wow. Your narrative is so far off the facts.

In his first start where you got first team reps you go 19 of 23 for over 300 yards, 3 TDS and no picks.  83% completion rate.

You can’t do that unless you are extremely talented- I don’t care who the other team is.

Many of those passes were his second or third read.  Strong and accurate arm- he has all the throws.
Of course he locks onto his first read at times, but what do you expect with really just a couple games under his belt? CJ Stroud was exactly the same in his second and third start. In fact, people wanted him benched for Kyle Mccord. 

yes- a night game at ND is tough for a new QB- so Hartman - a 6th year guy- will likely be better.  But McCord is showing all the signs of a rapidly improving Tier 1 Power 5 QB.

Way to Cherry Pick a Stat to skew a narrative. Dude is 69% on the season against patsies. 
This is the first game that he plays a defense with a pulse. I don't think he, nor the O-line, is any where near good enough to make this a competitive game. 

I'd love to be wrong, and I will happily eat crow if I am. But I've not seen an amazing QB (yet.)

Way to Cherry Pick a Stat to skew a narrative. Dude is 69% on the season against patsies.
This is the first game that he plays a defense with a pulse. I don't think he, nor the O-line, is any where near good enough to make this a competitive game.

I'd love to be wrong, and I will happily eat crow if I am. But I've not seen an amazing QB (yet.)

Cherry pick a stat?  Seriously?
you throw a sweeping generalization out there based on your interpretation, calling him, basically the worst quarterback in college football. And of course you back it up with no stats or facts.

I come back and share an actual, factual statistic from the last game, which is the first game where he was declared the starter and had first team reps during the week. 

He has already climb to second in the conference in pass efficiency ( second only to McCarthy who has yet to play a road game or conference game and who threw 3 interceptions las game against a MAC School), 2nd in TD passes, 3rd in yards per game ( he hasn’t come close to playing a whole game).

What were you expecting?  Or were you one of those people who wanted CJ Stroud benched after his second start?  There were LOTS of them.