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Topic: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game

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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2018, 02:01:50 PM »
You are falsely equating style with results, the right thing to do was to salt the game away.  But to do it while getting outgained by 210 yards in a quarter, while having 2 of your 3 drives go 3 and out, burning less than 2 minutes on 2 of the 3 drives, is a piss poor execution of a fine strategy.


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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2018, 02:06:06 PM »
In your various half assed sentence fragments, are you trying to suggest that OSU is to Michigan as Michigan is to Michigan St?
A half assed take deserves only a half assed response.  But I'm not sure what you still aren't getting to be honest.
UM is not MSU's Super Bowl.  MSU doesn't play in or for the Super Bowl.  They play for CCGs, Rose Bowls and CFPs, all of which they have played for recently.  And maybe, hopefully a national title game at some point.
Saying that this game is anything more than just our biggest rival is a lazy take.  Saying this is "MSU's Super Bowl" is as lazy a take as saying OSU is UM's Super Bowl.  Except there it actually makes a little bit more sense because they haven't actually played for any of the things I mentioned in a long, long time.
Yes, it's MSU's biggest rival.  No, it isn't UMs.  That's it.  If there is still some sort of motivation deficit after a decade of wishing they were having MSU's success, that's not on some sort rivalry disparity, that's on the players and coaches.

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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #44 on: October 16, 2018, 02:14:04 PM »
You are falsely equating style with results, the right thing to do was to salt the game away.  But to do it while getting outgained by 210 yards in a quarter, while having 2 of your 3 drives go 3 and out, burning less than 2 minutes on 2 of the 3 drives, is a piss poor execution of a fine strategy.


Yeah, the finishing execution fell out. But that mattered for style points only. My argument is that the game was never actually in doubt.

I get irrationally worried that all kinds of Michigan leads will flip. Down to the last second, that kind of worry wasn't part of this game. The UW-M game from this last weekend, though? I was worried maybe even after the Lavert INT and was absolutely still anxious at 24-7. Versus MSU in 2016, 27-10 felt entirely different.
The fact that 7 of those 10 for MSU came on their opening drive was BIG part of my confidence deep in the 4th. That one was a beautifully scripted and heavily repped drive ... and it did not compare to anything State accomplished for the rest of the game.
Maybe not in final score (margin: 9), but absolutely in feel, the game was a blowout.
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2018, 02:27:51 PM »
The way it played out, no.  MSU only made it a 1 score game with :01 to play.  Which is what made that 2 point conversion all the more moronic.  Yes, it would have required a clean onside kick recovery with no time off the clock, followed by a hail mary, and yes, what resulted to push it from 7 to 9 was very fluky, but still, why be petty enough to cut it from 6 to 5 to even make it an issue, when the resulting play killed even that 0.0000001% chance.

But had MSU made that 34 yard FG, which would have allowed them to kick the chip shot 25 yarder the next possession, they at least have the ball back with a shot.

Again, I mostly agree, I just think they went a little too conservative a little too early, and due to a missed FG and a broken leg, MSU never fully pushed them on it.
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #46 on: October 16, 2018, 02:33:00 PM »
“Defeated with Dignity.”  That was funny.  I forgot about that.  Thanks for the reminder Anonymous Coward.
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2018, 02:41:24 PM »
Judith Martin approved of our handling of that game

Also everything EDSBS does is good, but even MSU fans who grimaced hard at that headline, had to laugh

https://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2016/10/31/13480346/don-t-do-this-michigan-state

It's like you should have a panel of fans approve anything that goes out.  I had a bunch of UM fans face palming that the UM football end of game Tweet after the ND loss this year just said "We never gave up."  Nobody wants to read that crap after a loss.
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2018, 02:48:31 PM »
A half assed take deserves only a half assed response.  But I'm not sure what you still aren't getting to be honest.
UM is not MSU's Super Bowl.  MSU doesn't play in or for the Super Bowl.  They play for CCGs, Rose Bowls and CFPs, all of which they have played for recently.  And maybe, hopefully a national title game at some point.
Saying that this game is anything more than just our biggest rival is a lazy take.  Saying this is "MSU's Super Bowl" is as lazy a take as saying OSU is UM's Super Bowl.  Except there it actually makes a little bit more sense because they haven't actually played for any of the things I mentioned in a long, long time.
Yes, it's MSU's biggest rival.  No, it isn't UMs.  That's it.  If there is still some sort of motivation deficit after a decade of wishing they were having MSU's success, that's not on some sort rivalry disparity, that's on the players and coaches.
Okay, so you were simply objecting to the "Super Bowl" cliché through a thick layer of condescending snark. Got it. Had you said so off the bad we could have easily avoided all this useless back and forth. Instead you said "UM is MSU's Ohio State." 
That makes zero sense. For one thing, MSU is in a division with both UM and Ohio St. So on it's face you would appear to be claiming that MSU approaches both games exactly the same. Or perhaps that they approach all games exactly the same as the Michigan game. None of which I'd agree with. 
Now claiming that Michigan is to MSU as OSU is to Michigan is also horribly inaccurate. In order for that to be the case, MSU would have to be losing most of their games to Michigan, and would have to care about the rivalry quite a bit less than Michigan does, which is also obviously not the case. 
But yes, I do consider Michigan to be OSU's Super Bowl. If they lose that game then the season is a complete and total bust no matter what else happens. 
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2018, 03:52:16 PM »
Now claiming that Michigan is to MSU as OSU is to Michigan is also horribly inaccurate.
agreed.
Michigan State is an annoying little brother that as of late has stepped up to become a real pain in the ass. I don't really see them as Michigan's rival. Just being honest. They are more of a nuisance than anything. Really wish we didn't even play them. Nothing to gain by beating them and everything to lose by losing to them. I see ND as a bigger rival than MSU to be honest.

Ohio State is the rival. Period. That is the only game that truly matters in my mind.
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2018, 03:57:28 PM »
AC- the game felt like a blowout but then Michigan took it's foot off the gas. They just went into cruise control while Sparty never quit fighting and got right back into it. They should've won that game by 30+. They didn't. They let Sparty hang around instead of ending their life and digging their graves. It was embarasing.

Part of that is on the players, but I think a bigger part of that is on Harbaugh. His teams really seem to play like crap on the road and he really seems to lack a killer edge. One thing I've always admired about Meyer is he doesn't give a shit. If he's up 30-10 he'll try and embarrass a team and just bury them and run up the score. I love that in a coach. Jimmy Johnson was infamous for this. He always tried to pour it on. That's what you should do. Winning isn't enough. Destroying the other team and embarrassing them is what you should do. No mercy. Always admired those Jimmy Johnson Miami and Cowboys teams because they'd beat the shit out of you and then let you know they whooped your ass. That's what this game is all about. Ultimate test of will. How badly do you want to destroy the other team.

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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #51 on: October 16, 2018, 04:00:23 PM »
I would really like to see Make Hart as Michigan's running backs coach if only for this game.
I would really like him to be Michigan's RB coach period. I think he's got HC in his future and he's a hell of a recruiter already. Jim is messing up here. Mike Hart would take that job if offered in 2 seconds flat.

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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2018, 04:11:17 PM »
haven't heard anything, but I'd bet that Gary plays and Black gets some limited reps as well. If Black gets some reps this game, he'll probably be starting vs Penn State. If not- doubt he really plays vs Penn State.

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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2018, 04:20:24 PM »
agreed.
Michigan State is an annoying little brother that as of late has stepped up to become a real pain in the ass. I don't really see them as Michigan's rival. Just being honest. They are more of a nuisance than anything. Really wish we didn't even play them. Nothing to gain by beating them and everything to lose by losing to them. I see ND as a bigger rival than MSU to be honest.

Ohio State is the rival. Period. That is the only game that truly matters in my mind.
Huh?  He said Michigan is to Michigan State what Ohio State is to Michigan.
I agree.
He said he actually disagrees because Michigan State actually beats Michigan, whereas Michigan never beats Ohio State.  His words, not mine.

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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2018, 04:26:27 PM »
ELA is exceptionally grouchy today. 
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2018, 04:31:16 PM »
Grouchy in clarifying a post?

Sorry, I'll just sit back and let the men discuss little brothers and whatnot.

 

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