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utee94

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Re: 5+1+2 Model
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2021, 06:00:09 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 06, 2021, 05:58:20 PM
I liked the proposed 12 team model.
It might still happen, I'm definitely not saying it won't.  But I think that this "pause" has left everyone the chance to go back, take a breath, and re-think it, so I think we might end up with fewer than 12, when back in July, 12 was the sure thing.
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Re: 5+1+2 Model
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2021, 06:11:26 PM »
I don't think we need 12. It introduces byes and an extra week of games relative to 8. If it's a 6 auto and 6 at-large, that's too many at large teams IMHO and devalues the regular season. If it's 10+2 it's too many tall midgets.

8 (5+1+2 or 6+2) is the right compromise. It maintains the importance of conference championships, it's still exclusive, but the at large selections allow worthy non-champs a seat at the table.
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Re: 5+1+2 Model
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2021, 06:13:09 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 06, 2021, 06:00:09 PM
It might still happen, I'm definitely not saying it won't.  But I think that this "pause" has left everyone the chance to go back, take a breath, and re-think it, so I think we might end up with fewer than 12, when back in July, 12 was the sure thing.
I think 12 is probably the right number. 4 is just not enough. There are 130 FBS teams. Right now only 3% get in. Going to 12 is still only 9% of the teams getting into the post-season. In the NFL are 32 teams, and 14 make the post-season- so nearly 44% of that league gets in the playoffs.

12 seems like the magic number to me, and it ensures more parity and equality in the sport, and prevents one team from overloading and stacking the deck. Lot of kids pick Bama just because they want to play in the playoff and they know that's basically the only school they are guaranteed to do so at. You open it up to 12- that won't happen as much.
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Re: 5+1+2 Model
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2021, 06:14:38 PM »
I'm just going to try and enjoy the game and not worry about changes.  Much.
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Re: 5+1+2 Model
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2021, 06:22:18 PM »
this is a few months old and I don't really care for him, but I think he's got some great points here, think maybe even 14 teams might be the way to go. 100% would be down with byes and home playoff games for the top seeds- would be nice to get rid of these neutral site games where fans cannot get tickets to the semi-finals unless they drop $500+ to even thousands for a ticket. National championship OK yeah- that makes sense- but the prices for this M-UGA match-up in Miami is absurd. Would be great if Michigan got to host them in Ann Arbor as a reward for earning the higher seed and winning it's conference. Should be rewarded for winning your conference and having a higher seed.


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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2021, 06:29:44 PM »
I think 12 is terrible because byes are terrible.

8 is the most I'd ever like to see.  5+2+1 seems like the best mix, as well.

But like CD, I know I don't have any say in it so I'll do my best to enjoy what we get.
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Re: 5+1+2 Model
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2021, 06:39:54 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 06, 2021, 06:29:44 PM
I think 12 is terrible because byes are terrible.

8 is the most I'd ever like to see.  5+2+1 seems like the best mix, as well.

But like CD, I know I don't have any say in it so I'll do my best to enjoy what we get.
Ditto 
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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2021, 08:03:26 PM »
The different parties may have to compromise.  The SEC and ND want a plan that keeps at least 4 at large teams.  The Big Alliance and B12 want all P5 conferences to get an automatic bid.  The G5 wants the top 6 conference champions to get in.

The minimum to achieve all that is 10 total teams.  6 conference champions + 4 at large teams.

They could set it up so that the top 4 conference champs get the top 4 seeds, a first round bye and get to host the 2nd round games at home.  Conference champs 5-6 get a first round bye and then play the 2nd round on the road.. 

The first round would be the 4 at larges with seeds 7-8 hosting seeds 9-10 at home.

After the first round,  seeds 5-8 get re-seeded for the 2nd round.
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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2021, 08:15:07 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 06, 2021, 06:13:09 PM
I think 12 is probably the right number. 4 is just not enough. There are 130 FBS teams. Right now only 3% get in. Going to 12 is still only 9% of the teams getting into the post-season. In the NFL are 32 teams, and 14 make the post-season- so nearly 44% of that league gets in the playoffs.
You're citing a system in which a 9-7 and 10-6 teams win the Super Bowl.  That's a 7-8 win team in a 12 game season.  

I'll never understand people who want their postseason to be inclusive in one breath and then makes fun of the 'everyone gets a trophy' in the next.
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Re: 5+1+2 Model
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2021, 09:32:02 PM »
Two 8-10 teams have won the Grey Cup. 
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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2021, 10:19:05 PM »
And that's why it's as popular as it is. 
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« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2021, 11:11:05 PM »
Yep. That, and that alone, is the reason.
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Re: 5+1+2 Model
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2021, 11:34:30 PM »
Eight is the ideal number.  P5 champs receive automatic bids, 3 at large bids based on final rankings.  Top four teams in final rankings receive 1st round home field.  I'd prefer to just take the top 8 teams, but would be ok with conference champs receiving automatic bids.  There are years where there are no good candidates from G5 so I would not be in favor of an auto bid.  If they're that good, they shouldn't have any problem finishing in the top 8 in the final rankings.
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Re: 5+1+2 Model
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2021, 10:11:07 AM »
i still don't like auto qualifiers for conf champs, unless there's a caveat of must be top 10 or 12 or something. as recently as 2017 there was a not unrealistic chance of 2 p5 conf champs having 4 losses before the bowls. utah this year has 3 losses, though in their defense this was a crazy year and they'd almost meet (or do for 12) criteria above anyway. point being, this year there's a decent argument they wouldn't pass anyone clearly more deserving. but in 2017, a lot of teams would have been.
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