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Topic: #4 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #3 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Post-Game

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Re: #4 Penn State (2-0, 5-0) at #3 Iowa (2-0, 5-0) Game Week
« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2021, 07:58:18 PM »
There is also a Michigan 5 Purdue?  0 game in the 90s.  I don't remember a thing about it, other than hearing the score in my car.

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Re: #4 Penn State (2-0, 5-0) at #3 Iowa (2-0, 5-0) Game Week
« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2021, 09:08:07 PM »
There is also a Michigan 5 Purdue?  0 game in the 90s.  I don't remember a thing about it, other than hearing the score in my car.
I was at it.  It was absolutely miserable.  Only game we ever left early for weather.  It was like 45 and raining at kick, and plummeted down to like 30.  The field was already flooded, it then froze.  It was awful.


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Re: #4 Penn State (2-0, 5-0) at #3 Iowa (2-0, 5-0) Game Week
« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2021, 09:55:22 PM »
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Re: #4 Penn State (2-0, 5-0) at #3 Iowa (2-0, 5-0) Game Week
« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2021, 10:10:52 PM »
Ha Joel Meyers on the call with what sounds like the late Todd Christensen.  I think Meyers only does NBA now for some franchise,  but I liked him.  I need to watch more of this.  I was N at KU this day, sunny cold day in Lawrence.

Those conditions reminded me of a high school JV game I played my sophomore year.  Early 3rd, our RB busted his tail bone as he slipped going around the corner on icy field.  Coaches just said F it, we're done.  Never more miserable playing a sport.

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Re: #4 Penn State (2-0, 5-0) at #3 Iowa (2-0, 5-0) Game Week
« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2021, 10:52:08 PM »
The next year was actually worse, Michigan lost 9-3 in West Lafayette.
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Re: #4 Penn State (2-0, 5-0) at #3 Iowa (2-0, 5-0) Game Week
« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2021, 11:07:50 PM »
The next year was actually worse, Michigan lost 9-3 in West Lafayette.
That sounds better.

I was a freshman but didn't get into college football until the next year. But I heard that all the students stormed the field, tore down the goalpost, and threw it into the Wabash River.

They reinforced them, because when the students did the same after we beat Notre Dame the next September (I was there and stormed the field with them), those goalposts would NOT come down lol...

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Re: #4 Penn State (2-0, 5-0) at #3 Iowa (2-0, 5-0) Game Week
« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2021, 11:24:13 PM »
The next year was actually worse, Michigan lost 9-3 in West Lafayette.
IIRC Michigan had a chance to go up 10-0 right before half, bit for some reason Carr put in William Carr (obviously no relation) as a Fridge Perry style goal line back.  He fumbled the ball, and Purdue outscored them 9-0 in the second half.

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Re: #4 Penn State (2-0, 5-0) at #3 Iowa (2-0, 5-0) Game Week
« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2021, 11:31:34 PM »
and some Michigan fans think Harbaugh is limiting the offense

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Re: #4 Penn State (2-0, 5-0) at #3 Iowa (2-0, 5-0) Game Week
« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2021, 11:06:11 AM »
I think the winner of this game will come down to two factors. 

1.  The team able to win the turnover battle 
2.  The team able to convert short yardage situations

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Neither Penn State nor Iowa has a dominating offense.

Iowa's points per game is 33.2.  Penn State's PPG is 28.   However, Penn State has played a tougher schedule, IMO.   If that wasn't enough, Iowa has scored 75 points off of turnovers.   In addition, Penn State has scored quite a few points off of turnovers themselves.

Penn State has a "not top 5" 3rd down conversion rate of 38.5%.  Iowa is even worse, with a 36.2% conversion rate.

Hopefully I'll have more offensive stuff to come later.

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If you dig deep into the defensive stats:

Points per game:  PSU 10.8, Iowa 11.6.  (In addition, 4PPG can be deducted from PSU due to garbage time scores against 3rd and 4th stringers, while no such adjustment can be made for Iowa)

However, I think Iowa has a significantly better rush defense.

Opponent Rushing yards per attempt:  Iowa 2.7, PSU 3.4

PSU has faced (offensive rushing yards per attempt):
Auburn:  #3
Wisconsin:  #80
Indiana: #104
Ball State:  #118
Villanova:  N/A

Iowa has faced:
Iowa State:  #9
Maryland:  #46
Colorado State: #69
Kent State:  #78
Indiana:  #104

On the flip side, Penn State initially appears slightly better in pass defense.

Penn State is only allowing opponents 5.1 yards per pass attempt.  Iowa is allowing 5.6.  However, Penn State has given up nearly 250 passing yards in garbage time with their 3rd and fourth stringers.  Iowa, on the other hand, has given up only 50 passing yards in garbage time.   Adjusting for this means that Penn State's defense compares even more favorably to Iowa than it initially appears.  

However, Penn State has faced (offensive passing yards per attempt):
Auburn: #91
Wisconsin:  #100
Indiana:  #109
Ball State:  #116
Villanova:  N/A

While Iowa has faced:
Iowa State:  #34
Maryland:  #48
Kent State:  #93
Indiana:  #109
Colorado State:  #124

PSU's pass defense can only be fairly compared to Iowa when the strength of the opponent's passing games are accounted for.  Once that is factored in, the teams become much, much closer.

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None of this factors in turnovers.  Iowa is ranked #1 in the country in takeaways.  However, that average is slightly skewed by the 642 turnovers they caused against Maryland.  Still, given Iowa's history, you have to assume Iowa is likely to cause at least a turnover or two.  Penn State, on the other hand, has the ability to keep up with Iowa, as they rank #11 in takeaways. 

Overall, these appear to be two very good defenses on par with one another.


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Re: #4 Penn State (2-0, 5-0) at #3 Iowa (2-0, 5-0) Game Week
« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2021, 11:23:44 AM »
It would be "hilarious" if it ends up with a final like 47-45 (which is  highly unlikely of course).  Yes, in close games, the TO margin is often decisive, along with some crucial penalty or tipped pass etc.

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Re: #4 Penn State (2-0, 5-0) at #3 Iowa (2-0, 5-0) Game Week
« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2021, 12:55:25 PM »
Maybe funny, but would probably give me an aneurysm.

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Re: #4 Penn State (2-0, 5-0) at #3 Iowa (2-0, 5-0) Game Week
« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2021, 02:15:47 PM »
I think the winner of this game will come down to two factors. 

1.  The team able to win the turnover battle 
2.  The team able to convert short yardage situations

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Neither Penn State nor Iowa has a dominating offense.

Iowa's points per game is 33.2.  Penn State's PPG is 28.  However, Penn State has played a tougher schedule, IMO.  If that wasn't enough, Iowa has scored 75 points off of turnovers.  In addition, Penn State has scored quite a few points off of turnovers themselves.

Penn State has a "not top 5" 3rd down conversion rate of 38.5%.  Iowa is even worse, with a 36.2% conversion rate.

Hopefully I'll have more offensive stuff to come later.

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If you dig deep into the defensive stats:

Points per game:  PSU 10.8, Iowa 11.6.  (In addition, 4PPG can be deducted from PSU due to garbage time scores against 3rd and 4th stringers, while no such adjustment can be made for Iowa)

However, I think Iowa has a significantly better rush defense.

Opponent Rushing yards per attempt:  Iowa 2.7, PSU 3.4

PSU has faced (offensive rushing yards per attempt):
Auburn:  #3
Wisconsin:  #80
Indiana: #104
Ball State:  #118
Villanova:  N/A

Iowa has faced:
Iowa State:  #9
Maryland:  #46
Colorado State: #69
Kent State:  #78
Indiana:  #104

On the flip side, Penn State initially appears slightly better in pass defense.

Penn State is only allowing opponents 5.1 yards per pass attempt.  Iowa is allowing 5.6.  However, Penn State has given up nearly 250 passing yards in garbage time with their 3rd and fourth stringers.  Iowa, on the other hand, has given up only 50 passing yards in garbage time.  Adjusting for this means that Penn State's defense compares even more favorably to Iowa than it initially appears. 

However, Penn State has faced (offensive passing yards per attempt):
Auburn: #91
Wisconsin:  #100
Indiana:  #109
Ball State:  #116
Villanova:  N/A

While Iowa has faced:
Iowa State:  #34
Maryland:  #48
Kent State:  #93
Indiana:  #109
Colorado State:  #124

PSU's pass defense can only be fairly compared to Iowa when the strength of the opponent's passing games are accounted for.  Once that is factored in, the teams become much, much closer.

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None of this factors in turnovers.  Iowa is ranked #1 in the country in takeaways.  However, that average is slightly skewed by the 642 turnovers they caused against Maryland.  Still, given Iowa's history, you have to assume Iowa is likely to cause at least a turnover or two.  Penn State, on the other hand, has the ability to keep up with Iowa, as they rank #11 in takeaways. 

Overall, these appear to be two very good defenses on par with one another.


Can we try to get back on topic?  This thread is about low scoring games from the 90s that neither of these teams were involved in.

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Re: #4 Penn State (2-0, 5-0) at #3 Iowa (2-0, 5-0) Game Week
« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2021, 02:41:21 PM »
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Re: #4 Penn State (2-0, 5-0) at #3 Iowa (2-0, 5-0) Game Week
« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2021, 02:45:35 PM »
The next year was actually worse, Michigan lost 9-3 in West Lafayette.
And how is this a bad thing,sheesh - you newbie
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