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Topic: #3 Ohio State (11-2) v. #1 Georgia (14-0) Post Game

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Re: #4 Ohio State (11-1) v. #1 Georgia (13-0) Game Month
« Reply #70 on: December 20, 2022, 11:10:34 AM »
well, that's why they got a fancy new D-coordinator!
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Re: #4 Ohio State (11-1) v. #1 Georgia (13-0) Game Month
« Reply #71 on: December 20, 2022, 12:03:14 PM »
That’s a great read.  In addition to all that Georgia makes a substantial offensive shift just before the snap on virtually every down.  Extremely hard to defend even with great players.

I actually went to the Orange Bowl last year to watch Georgia versus Michigan. Michigan had an excellent defense and a very strong game plan, but Georgia was always one step ahead of them as far as running a play that put Michigan in conflict. Not sure how Ohio State can begin to defend that.

Could be the best way to overcome that is beat them in a shootout.  It's possible LSU found some chinks in the armor of the Dawg defense.  I don't know if it's likely, but it's possible.  

Ohio State will have this going for it too, as compared to our game, they can rotate fresh bodies and (I guess?) have a very capable secondary.  Two things we lacked.  The scheme was obviously a big problem, but for every "unstoppable offense" there always comes a defensive answer, eventually.  We were also undermanned and out-talented vs. UGA.....Ohio State shouldn't be.  

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Re: #4 Ohio State (11-1) v. #1 Georgia (13-0) Game Month
« Reply #72 on: December 20, 2022, 01:03:04 PM »
That’s a great read.  In addition to all that Georgia makes a substantial offensive shift just before the snap on virtually every down.  Extremely hard to defend even with great players.

I actually went to the Orange Bowl last year to watch Georgia versus Michigan. Michigan had an excellent defense and a very strong game plan, but Georgia was always one step ahead of them as far as running a play that put Michigan in conflict. Not sure how Ohio State can begin to defend that.
Monken called a terrific game plan vs Michigan's D. It honestly was masterful. They got the ball out of Stetson's hands fast and didn't do 5 and 7 step drop backs and let Michigan's pass rushers tee off. They completely neutralized Hutch & Ojabo. Georgia jumped out early and then Michigan was done-zo. Michigan's offense last year was hopeless if a team got a 14+ lead on it. They lacked explosive plays in the run game and they lacked a QB that could make plays- two things I think Michigan has this year. Georgia was up 17-0 in like the 1st QTR. It was like snap of the fingers...boom.

McNamara just flat out can't make plays that can break open games, he's definition of game manager. No athletic ability and a very mediocre arm. Haskins got most of the carries last year and in that game as well- and well he's a big bruiser not an explosive runner that can pop a 60 yard run like Corum or Edwards. I think Edwards only got 2 carries and Corum only 3 and Haskins had 9 or 10. But that's kind of besides the point, Georgia got them out of their comfort zone and they had to abandon the run because they were down 27-3 by half-time. Michigan wants their backs to run the ball 30 times in a game, not 14-15. Georgia breaking the game open forced them to be one dimensional and throw the ball and they just aren't built for that. Ohio State is. The question will be if Ohio State can run the ball just enough as not be so one dimensional. The health of Miyan Williams is going to be very important in this game- he's a battering ram, tough ass runner.

Ohio State has the QB and WRs who can keep them in the game and get them back in the game even if they get down 14-17 points. Michigan did not last year. CJ Stroud is about as good as it gets in terms of a pure thrower with accuracy/ball-placement and Marvin Harrison Jr is the best WR in CFB. Emeka Ebugka isn't quite elite but he's very talented and probably a year away from really breaking out. Those two guys can make big plays at receiver and CJ is as talented a thrower as you'll see in CFB.

Still think Georgia is too big and physical and ultimately wins at the end of the day, but Ohio State should not be counted down and out so readily. They've got offensive fire power that when it clicks, they can score in a flash.

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Re: #4 Ohio State (11-1) v. #1 Georgia (13-0) Game Month
« Reply #73 on: December 21, 2022, 03:41:27 PM »

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Re: #4 Ohio State (11-1) v. #1 Georgia (13-0) Game Month
« Reply #74 on: December 21, 2022, 03:42:55 PM »
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Re: #4 Ohio State (11-1) v. #1 Georgia (13-0) Game Month
« Reply #75 on: December 21, 2022, 03:53:56 PM »
Can you say “idiot”? 
How many points did Petras drop on Iowa?
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Re: #4 Ohio State (11-1) v. #1 Georgia (13-0) Game Month
« Reply #76 on: December 21, 2022, 04:13:36 PM »
How many points did Petras drop on Iowa?
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Re: #4 Ohio State (11-1) v. #1 Georgia (13-0) Game Month
« Reply #77 on: December 21, 2022, 06:11:50 PM »
The "line" predicts 34-27 Dawgs, which would work fine for me.


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Re: #4 Ohio State (11-1) v. #1 Georgia (13-0) Game Month
« Reply #78 on: December 21, 2022, 06:25:37 PM »
It's weird.
When an SEC team doesn't win its division and gets a 2nd chance to win the NC, it's the end of Western Democracy.
A B1G team does it....ho-hum.
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Re: #4 Ohio State (11-1) v. #1 Georgia (13-0) Game Month
« Reply #79 on: December 21, 2022, 06:29:57 PM »
Folks often decry the fourth selection even though often many of them have no viable alternative that would be better.  This is the case again this year I think.

It's akin to claiming half the top ten are "over ranked" and being unable to list the five teams underranked that should be there.

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Re: #4 Ohio State (11-1) v. #1 Georgia (13-0) Game Month
« Reply #80 on: December 22, 2022, 11:24:28 AM »
It's weird.
When an SEC team doesn't win its division and gets a 2nd chance to win the NC, it's the end of Western Democracy.
A B1G team does it....ho-hum.
The only playoff/BCS selection that I STRONGLY objected to was Alabama over ISU in 2011.

I really feel like LSU got screwed. They played a MUCH tougher schedule than Bama because:
  • They played a better OOC, IIRC they played the ACC Champion OOC.
  • They played the SEC-E Champion in the SECCG which Bama avoided by losing to LSU.
  • The two LSU/Bama games were at Bama and neutral.
So in the end LSU had a better record (13-1 vs 12-1), played a tougher schedule, and split the H2H. They should be co-Champions, no?

All of that aside, my biggest objection was what @Cincydawg refers to here:
Folks often decry the fourth selection even though often many of them have no viable alternative that would be better.  This is the case again this year I think.
There was a viable alternative. ISU had a better record and was a P5 Champion.

This years' case is much different. You can say that Ohio State shouldn't be there and my answer would be to ask who should be there instead. There are only three teams in the country with better records than the Buckeyes and they are the other three playoff participants. Any replacement would have a worse record AND at least one loss to a team worse than the one Ohio State lost to.

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Re: #4 Ohio State (11-1) v. #1 Georgia (13-0) Game Month
« Reply #81 on: December 22, 2022, 11:34:53 AM »
LSU beat the Big East and PAC 10 champions OOC that year, rather handily.  Alabama had nothing of the sort on their resume, literally their selling point was a close loss to a good team (LSU).  Every single BCS computer ranking placed ISU ahead of Alabama.  That's because ISU had better wins than Alabama, by several metrics.  The only point in Bama's favor was a better loss than ISU had, but it says something when your resume silver bullet is a loss.  

The thing that gets under my skin about that is not that it happened in a vacuum.  It's that the argument used that year was "But who's the best team?" while  "best resume" was used to put Alabama in other years.  The voters changed the criteria to get certain teams in from year to year.  Saban himself even campaigned on the two different merits in different years when it was convenient (and I don't actually blame him for that, he's the HC, that's what he's supposed to do).  If they were consistent it would annoy me somewhat less.  But it's clear the voters did what the voters wanted to do and used whatever justification they needed for it.  

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Re: #4 Ohio State (11-1) v. #1 Georgia (13-0) Game Month
« Reply #82 on: December 27, 2022, 10:47:19 AM »

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Re: #4 Ohio State (11-1) v. #1 Georgia (13-0) Game Month
« Reply #83 on: December 27, 2022, 10:58:51 AM »
I read that piece, or most of it, I thought is basically recounted what everyone knew ...

I did not find it enlightening, but writers have to write something.

 

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