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Topic: #25 Michigan (4-1, 6-2) at Michigan State (0-5, 3-5) Post Game

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Re: #25 Michigan (4-1, 6-2) at Michigan State (0-5, 3-5) Post Game
« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2025, 10:42:52 PM »
I I’m going to give an unpopular take. The offensive play calling and coaching is a problem, but Bryce Underwood is overrated. Yes, there will be a mountain of excuses about coaching putting him in less than ideal situations, which I completely agree with a lot of that, but there’s also been enough plays where he had a chance to make a decision or play and he didn’t. I know, he’s 18. But when you are crowned the Lebron of college football, you better back it up. His open field plays where he ran, he didn’t make anyone miss and didn’t outrun anyone. He had quite a few situations where he scrambled into the blitz instead of away from pressure. He’s not selling a fake throw or any of the sort so he can fake out a defender. His passing game down field has been mediocre at best.  When there’s pressure, he puts his head down and doesn’t look around while scrambling. Sorry but I always think of how good Troy Smith was at sensing pressure, keeping his head up and finding a way to make a ridiculous play. He throws too many cannon short passes.

This kid is sure as heck athletic, but he doesn’t grasp how to make plays, create misdirection and as bad as the play calling is, he’s also changing a lot of plays that lead to terrible decisions. Also, he definitely doesn’t show killer instinct, he shows his generation mentality of look at me. Taking selfies, signing autographs mid game. Maybe that changes, but if it doesn’t, he won’t win squat and it won’t be solely on the coaches.
There was no way for him to not be overrated.  I will say that he could probably put up bigger numbers in a more simple offense, but they are building this offense for him to be here for the next two years.  could he go to Tulane and put up huge numbers and then get the same NIL package?  Probably.  But I do think they appear to be investing in his future.  and I think the deal they have with him allows them to do that. Not sure how many schools have that luxury, and overpaying for him up front, allows them that luxury

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Re: #25 Michigan (4-1, 6-2) at Michigan State (0-5, 3-5) Post Game
« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2025, 11:11:37 AM »
There was no way for him to not be overrated.  I will say that he could probably put up bigger numbers in a more simple offense, but they are building this offense for him to be here for the next two years.  could he go to Tulane and put up huge numbers and then get the same NIL package?  Probably.  But I do think they appear to be investing in his future.  and I think the deal they have with him allows them to do that. Not sure how many schools have that luxury, and overpaying for him up front, allows them that luxury
I don't think he is overrated at all. he's playing just fine considering the circumstances and his coach sucks, the play calling sucks, and the talent around him is extremely young.

the fact that Semaj Morgan still gets targets and playing time and is featured in the offense is absolutely insane. everyone of Semaj Morgan's 100,000 drops are on Sherrone Moore for even playing him at this point- not on Underwood or Morgan himself.

Right now Underwood's LT is a RS Fr., his RG is a RS Fr., his RT is a RS Fr., his best WR is a true frosh, his #4 WR Goodwin is a RS Fr., his #2 RB is a RS Fr., and his #2 TE who can't stay healthy is a true soph.

His #1 RB is a JR and he's freaking AWESOME, his #1 TE who also can't stay healthy is a RS Jr who is pretty good, and his second best WR is a RS Sr who is pretty good. His #3 WR is Semaj Morgan who is complete ass, and his LG and C who are both 5th year guys have been playing like ass as well. The line was better with El Hadi out of the lineup at LG and there's a reason why Crippen kept getting portaled over at C- he's just not very good.

They need to get serious and fire Sherrone Moore into the sun, go absolutely nuts in the portal for WR's and a C, and throw a FAT NIL package to keep Justice Haynes for his SR year and they'll be a machine in 2026.

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Re: #25 Michigan (4-1, 6-2) at Michigan State (0-5, 3-5) Post Game
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2025, 11:17:51 AM »
I hope a lot of Michigan administrators agree with you
unfortunately Warde Manuel is the AD, so he'll keep Football Juwan Howard around entirely longer than he should. fear not rival fans.

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Re: #25 Michigan (4-1, 6-2) at Michigan State (0-5, 3-5) Post Game
« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2025, 11:39:54 AM »
I don't think he is overrated at all. he's playing just fine considering the circumstances and his coach sucks, the play calling sucks, and the talent around him is extremely young.

the fact that Semaj Morgan still gets targets and playing time and is featured in the offense is absolutely insane. everyone of Semaj Morgan's 100,000 drops are on Sherrone Moore for even playing him at this point- not on Underwood or Morgan himself.
While some of this is accurate and if BU has any sense he could improvise and hit Marsh,McCulley even Goodwin or the two TE's .Tell Sharrone he didn't see Morgan or he wasn't open from his perspective. In other words use his noggin,Sharrone isn't gonna bench him
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Re: #25 Michigan (4-1, 6-2) at Michigan State (0-5, 3-5) Post Game
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2025, 11:45:55 AM »
unfortunately Warde Manuel is the AD, so he'll keep Football Juwan Howard around entirely longer than he should. fear not rival fans.
Now you know what the Cooper years were like,he should have never seen year 5 let alone 13.But at least sherrone is 2-0 V tOSU - so keep him around. Matter of fact give him an extension for his insightful use of Morgan
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Re: #25 Michigan (4-1, 6-2) at Michigan State (0-5, 3-5) Post Game
« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2025, 04:16:54 PM »
There was no way for him to not be overrated.  I will say that he could probably put up bigger numbers in a more simple offense, but they are building this offense for him to be here for the next two years.  could he go to Tulane and put up huge numbers and then get the same NIL package?  Probably.  But I do think they appear to be investing in his future.  and I think the deal they have with him allows them to do that. Not sure how many schools have that luxury, and overpaying for him up front, allows them that luxury
While that sounds warm and fuzzy for his future, how does that add up? They call running plays every first and second down and that's building the future offense for him?

Maybe it improves with experience and age, but I see a lot more fundamental issues than I expected. Sure he was likely always going to be overrated, but watching him and watching CJ Carr, I'm far more impressed by Carr and we're talking same age, same experience level and it could easily be argued that Carr has faced stiffer competition. There's athletic ability and then there's someone who feels and executes on the field. 

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Re: #25 Michigan (4-1, 6-2) at Michigan State (0-5, 3-5) Post Game
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2025, 06:03:40 PM »
Considering the injuries on ND O-Line and one semi bad game vs USC Carr's been solid
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Re: #25 Michigan (4-1, 6-2) at Michigan State (0-5, 3-5) Post Game
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2025, 06:26:48 PM »
The Notre Dame and USC game has a factor that's being downplayed.. The weather sucked. It's part of why the USC passing game was a mess as well. 

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Re: #25 Michigan (4-1, 6-2) at Michigan State (0-5, 3-5) Post Game
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2025, 06:30:15 PM »
Considering the injuries on ND O-Line and one semi bad game vs USC Carr's been solid
I didn't love Carr's film, he has impressed me in game.

But that was a two way street.  CJ didn't want the noise of being the legacy QB, and Michigan wasn't sold.  There was definitely some back channel stuff where they just agreed to go their separate ways.

The more scouts just go to these 7 on 7 camps, the harder it is to identify QBs, at least at the highest level.  I actually think it's helping the lower levels identify arm talent they can coach up, and then lose.  The current North Texas coach was an FCS coach, who found Cam Ward, then brough him with him to be OC at Washington State.  Then when Miami poached him, he found John Mateer.  Now he's the HC at North Texas, and his QB is an absolute stud, and wasn't even a starter in HS, but he saw him at a 7 on 7.  Now he's completing over 68% of his passes, with 21 TDs and 4 INTs.

He'll be at a Power 4 school next year, the only question is whether its because he's following his HC

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Re: #25 Michigan (4-1, 6-2) at Michigan State (0-5, 3-5) Post Game
« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2025, 07:47:18 PM »
That's impressive but who is the competition?
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Re: #25 Michigan (4-1, 6-2) at Michigan State (0-5, 3-5) Post Game
« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2025, 08:08:07 PM »
CJ Carr, I'm far more impressed by Carr and we're talking same age, same experience level and it could easily be argued that Carr has faced stiffer competition.
yeah sure, except for the FACTS that they are not the same age nor have the same experience level.

CJ Carr is 20 years old and is a RS Freshman, whereas Bryce Underwood is a true freshman who just turned 18 years old two months ago, he technically could be class of 2026. 

You are discounting an entire year of experience sitting in a college system learning an offense, an entire year and off-season of getting reps in practice, and developing chemistry with WR's and TE's on the team and sharpening your game before you get thrust into live action and have bullets flying. CJ Carr has had this luxury that Underwood has not. 

And the stiffer competition is debatable. Notre Dame's SOS is 12th, Michigan's is 18th. And Michigan has yet to face the best team it'll play all year- Ohio State- whereas Notre Dame has already faced anyone with a pulse on their schedule and won't be facing anything but patsies from here on out- translation: the SOS will even out at the end.

Underwood's stat lines often look a lot like JJ McCarthy's. Gee, wonder if his current head coach being JJ's OC has anything to do with that, YA THINK? 

Michigan's pass game is fucking stone age archaic- and it has been since Harbaugh arrived. Literally the only year it was any good and above average was when Jedd Fisch was the OC in 2015. Every other year it's been complete fucking ass and Sharon the Fat Jolly Fucking Retard has continued the tradition of eye sore headache inducing dog shit awful 1970s passing game. 

Michigan literally does nothing in the pass game concepts that gets guys wide open or the QB easy completions. Everything looks like retards trying to fuck. It's fucking insane that Sisters of The Poor D3 schools can scheme guys open and have QBs chuck the ball all over the yard and Michigan can't figure it's shit out when it comes to throwing the football. 

Underwood was insane for even signing with Michigan- but that bag was real. He's going to wind up losing more money by staying with Moore who will tank his NFL draft stock. He needs to make an ultimate to the AD at the end of the year- get rid of Moore or I'm out. And if Warde has half a fucking brain he'll pick Underwood.

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Re: #25 Michigan (4-1, 6-2) at Michigan State (0-5, 3-5) Post Game
« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2025, 08:54:58 PM »

Carr would have came out if he got handed the same bag of goods. BU isn't in a bad place can't see him giving ultimatums on a grown mans future. No guarantee the next program would pony up if he appears like an 18yr old entitled ass trying to get the HC canned.If M* wins out he'd have more clout and maybe sit down with Moore - if Manual doesn't share your POV
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Re: #25 Michigan (4-1, 6-2) at Michigan State (0-5, 3-5) Post Game
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2025, 09:13:33 PM »
Carr would have came out if he got handed the same bag of goods. BU isn't in a bad place can't see him giving ultimatums on a grown mans future. No guarantee the next program would pony up if he appears like an 18yr old entitled ass trying to get the HC canned.If M* wins out he'd have more clout and maybe sit down with Moore - if Manual doesn't share your POV
Purdue at home and Northwestern on the road aren't gimmes when Sharon Moore is your head coach, and Maryland on the road frightens the shit out of me. could legit see him losing to Maryland and then doing the completely implausible and beating Ohio State at home to go 9-3 and be out of the playoff.

Moore wants to keep his job he needs to finish 10-2, beat Ohio State and make the playoff. Anything short of that- he deserves to be fired.

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Re: #25 Michigan (4-1, 6-2) at Michigan State (0-5, 3-5) Post Game
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2025, 09:20:01 PM »
9-3 with a true frosh QB with losses on the road vs OU & USC and a home loss to #1 OSU

not too shabby

losing to Maryland and then beating #1 OSU - gonna keep his job fer sure
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