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Topic: #24 Michigan (5-3, 8-3) at #5 Wisconsin (8-0, 11-0) Post Game

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Re: #24 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) at #5 Wisconsin (7-0, 10-0) Game Week
« Reply #98 on: November 15, 2017, 01:53:09 PM »
Yeah, that's why I noted UT's games against UCLA, Cal-Berkeley, Maryland, BYU, over the past 6-8 years.  We've also played Ole Miss within that span.



In fact, going back to 2012 and through 2018, Texas has played two P5 teams OOC every single year, if we're counting BYU and ND as P5-type teams.  That's 7 straight years of playing 11 P5 teams every single year.  Sadly, it's all been during a miserable down-period for the Horns, but I still like the scheduling practices.  Makes the season more interesting.



Anyway, back to the game at hand, I wouldn't be shocked if Michigan wins it, but I have a feeling Wisconsin is going to pull it out.  
very envious of this. wish Michigan would have done more of this. They did neutral site games with Florida and Alabama but neutral site games are lame as hell. I am all for eliminating neutral site games, forcing teams to quit playing FCS, and forcing them to play at least 1 opponent from another P5 every year. Makes things way more interesting.

As for the game at hand, I agree with your assessment. Wisconsin will win this one. Frosh QB playing that nasty Wisconsin defense in their house? Going to be a tough game for Michigan.

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Re: #24 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) at #5 Wisconsin (7-0, 10-0) Game Week
« Reply #99 on: November 15, 2017, 01:59:10 PM »
I think it's going to be a tough, hard-fought game.  Should be a lot of fun to watch.  I believe it's on at the same time as my game, so I'll have to go to double-TVs to catch them both.


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Re: #24 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) at #5 Wisconsin (7-0, 10-0) Game Week
« Reply #100 on: November 15, 2017, 02:13:11 PM »
This is gonna be a defensive slugfest. Whoever hits a few key passes on offense and takes care of the football will win the game. And I think that team will be Wisconsin. Peters hasn't thrown an INT yet. Which is BAD juju to me. Kinda wish he'd have gotten those INT's out of his system way before this game. Hindsight is 20/20, but it was probably a huge mistake to go with O'Korn after Speight got hurt. Should've went with Peters, just kept getting him experience and grooming him for the future. He would've been battle tested had he gotten time against MSU and PSU. He's walking into something he's never experienced now. Wisconsin is an entirely different animal than a half against Rutgers and games against Maryland and Minnesota.

I don't see either team running wild, both defenses are stout up front. Not sure Wisconsin has the WR's and passing game to really abuse Michigan's safeties Tyree Kinnel and Josh Mettellus in man coverage, but there will be plenty of opportunities there for the Wisconsin WR's on safeties in man coverage because.....Don Brown LOVES man coverage. Probably loves it a little bit too much. He puts his safeties in man to man coverage a lot. And both of them kinda struggle at it. As you'd expect...there's a reason they play safety and not CB.

The Penn State game scared me half to death because of Barkley's receiving ability. Don Brown LOVES man coverage. He put slow ass 6'4, 240+ pound LB Mike McCray in man coverage on Barkley. Never made an adjustment there. Just manned McCray up on Barkley in pass coverage. And it did not go well. Complete lunacy. Whoever is Wisconsin best pass catching RB......that's the match-up that I'd look for if I was the Wisconsin OC. Get the RB on a pass route in space in man coverage on Mike McCray on a wheel route- it's a guaranteed big play and you can go to that well as much as you like because Brown probably ain't going to adjust it and Mike McCray sure as hell ain't gonna cover it. He's too slow. He's a 6'4, 240+ banger. His game is going down hill, stuffing the run, rushing the QB. He can't cover in space like at all.
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Re: #24 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) at #5 Wisconsin (7-0, 10-0) Game Week
« Reply #101 on: November 15, 2017, 03:43:29 PM »
Michigan will probably see a lot of 3 TE sets in this game. I'm sure they are practicing against it this week since they do it all the time too...

The best pass catcher out of the backfield is probably Chris James, but Taylor can do it too. Screens scare the hell out of me with Horni though.

Both offenses see great defenses every week in practice. I don't think anyone is going to freak out. 
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Re: #24 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) at #5 Wisconsin (7-0, 10-0) Game Week
« Reply #102 on: November 15, 2017, 04:05:37 PM »
Michigan will probably see a lot of 3 TE sets in this game. I'm sure they are practicing against it this week since they do it all the time too...

The best pass catcher out of the backfield is probably Chris James, but Taylor can do it too. Screens scare the hell out of me with Horni though.

Both offenses see great defenses every week in practice. I don't think anyone is going to freak out.
I don't think anyone will be freaking out...Peters seems like a level headed player, I like his demeanor as QB- nothing- if it's going well or bad- nothing. He seems like a cool customer. But I wouldn't be shocked if Peters loses some confidence and has a rough out. In fact, I'm expecting that to be the case. That's a tough environment and that's a top 5 defense and it's his first real road test and he's a freshman. He hasn't really been prepped for anything like this in live action. He didn't get to play against MSU, Florida, or Penn State. He's played 2.5 games against pretty average teams in Rutgers, Minnesota, and Maryland, and Harbaugh has hidden the QB. They've been so conservative and he hasn't been asked to do a whole lot. To his credit though he was actually executing, unlike O'Korn who was just god awful at everything save for an incredible half against Purdue.

I was talking more about sending the RB's in actual passing routes out of the backfield or even putting them into motion and lining 'em up at slot WR to expose McCray in man coverage. If Wisconsin has a back that can do that- they better use him because that works like magic against this defense. Screens also work great against this style of attacking, aggressive defense that blitzes a lot. MSU scored one of their two TD's against this defense off a screen if I'm remembering correctly. Perfect play-call actually, Michigan was blitzing and MSU caught them with their pants down.
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Re: #24 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) at #5 Wisconsin (7-0, 10-0) Game Week
« Reply #103 on: November 15, 2017, 04:45:28 PM »
I was at that Cal Poly game.  Freezing.  Tons of empties, due to deer season and the opponent.  Cal Poly missed 3 Pats,  totally gagged that game.  They had one very elite WR target w a funny name and more or less ran an option based offense.

Edit: The WR was Ramses Barden, who it turns out was a 3rd round pick of the Giants, and had a few cups of coffee in the league before blowing up his ankle.  He was 6-6, and I remember him manhandling DBs and a few catches in that game at Camp Randall.
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Re: #24 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) at #5 Wisconsin (7-0, 10-0) Game Week
« Reply #104 on: November 15, 2017, 10:46:10 PM »
I've said this before, but one of the few redeeming qualities of the Dave Brandon era is that he set up all these great non-con series with Washington, Virginia Tech, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma for the next 10 years (Notre Dame replaced Arkansas for the next two years, which I definitely favor now, considering the Irish are good and the Razorbacks are not)..... He also scheduled some good guarantee games (2015 BYU / Oregon State, 2016 Colorado / UCF / Hawaii, 2017 Air Force & Cincinnati should've been better).

As for this game, the Michigan passing game is the biggest wildcard, still....
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Re: #24 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) at #5 Wisconsin (7-0, 10-0) Game Week
« Reply #105 on: November 15, 2017, 11:03:19 PM »
Yep, you are correct. I remember now that you laid it out.

BB was almost fired that year. As in, REALLY close to it.
He nearly earned it. A friend was at the student paper at the time and said his petulance and arrogance in press conferences was amazing. 
But credit to him, he straightened up and flew somewhat right the next year. Said more of the right things. More importantly delivered the perfect "get me off the hot seat" year. He went an unspectacular 10-3, lost to good teams, didn't get upset (give or take at Northwestern) and sent everyone home happy with a nice solid bowl win to wrap things. 

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Re: #24 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) at #5 Wisconsin (7-0, 10-0) Game Week
« Reply #106 on: November 15, 2017, 11:07:15 PM »
BB threw away the game in EL that year with terrible playcalling late, an unforgivable PF on him, and then calling timeout to "ice" the MSU kicker with the clock running and MSU having no timeouts, giving them time to set up the winning FG.  Not his finest game
That game was artistry. UW's defense was just nails that day, and they did so effing much to give away hidden yards. 

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Re: #24 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) at #5 Wisconsin (7-0, 10-0) Game Week
« Reply #107 on: November 15, 2017, 11:11:58 PM »
I was at that Cal Poly game.  Freezing.  Tons of empties, due to deer season and the opponent.  Cal Poly missed 3 Pats,  totally gagged that game.  They had one very elite WR target w a funny name and more or less ran an option based offense.

Edit: The WR was Ramses Barden, who it turns out was a 3rd round pick of the Giants, and had a few cups of coffee in the league before blowing up his ankle.  He was 6-6, and I remember him manhandling DBs and a few catches in that game at Camp Randall.
Was about to say it was Barden. Had 1,257 yards, 67 catches and 18 TDs that year, including 6 for 83 and a TD in the Camp.
And that wasn't more or less an option based offense. That was a pure flexbone triple option beauty. QB runs just murdered UW. Gave up 276 yards on the ground despite not allowing a run longer than 21. The Cal Poly coach parlayed that year into the Army job, where he went to a bowl in Year 2 and then bottomed out. Badgers only won because they started leaning on Cal Poly and wore them down. 

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Re: #24 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) at #5 Wisconsin (7-0, 10-0) Game Week
« Reply #108 on: November 16, 2017, 08:09:18 AM »
That game was artistry. UW's defense was just nails that day, and they did so effing much to give away hidden yards.
That felt all afternoon like a game MSU was losing by 2-3 scores.

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Re: #24 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) at #5 Wisconsin (7-0, 10-0) Game Week
« Reply #109 on: November 16, 2017, 08:18:14 AM »
I was at that MSU game. I was at that Cal-Poly game. And most of the other games.

What a shit year.
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Re: #24 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) at #5 Wisconsin (7-0, 10-0) Game Week
« Reply #110 on: November 16, 2017, 08:45:48 AM »
Bucky has been waiting for this one all year.  The first 10 games were tense, if only because everyone was telling them, "you better be 10-0 going into Michigan, or else..." but now they get their first big game atmosphere of the season.  Has Michigan figured things out with Brandon Peters?  He's looked like he deserves the job, which is more than O'Korn ever showed, but he hasn't exactly faced anyone like this.  This is a rebuilding year, so while 8-4 isn't terrible, it's still Michigan, and going 0-4 against the only four decent teams you face doesn't really sit right, so for this season to be a success the Wolverines need to win one of these last two...although they'd prefer it be next week.  Harbaugh hasn't asked Peters to play outside his comfort zone, and the running game, which has been vastly underrated this year, and shouldered most of the load.  The question now is who is going to run the ball?  Ty Isaac left the Rutgers game with an injury, and hasn't played since, and Karan Higdon, who has become easily their best back left the Maryland game, although he did practice yesterday.  They still have Chris Evans and Kareem Walker, but neither is nearly the complete back that Higdon or Isaac is, and against this defense, you certainly don't want to put it all on Peters.  If you want any sympathy for those injuries from Wisconsin fans, you won't get it.  The Badgers' injury report is longer than any in the nation outside of Chapel Hill.  You wouldn't know it from the way they are playing right now.  Last week, against probably the best team they've played all season, Wisconsin steamrolled Iowa 38-14, in a game that was only that "close" due to a pair of pick sixes.  They held the Hawkeyes to only 66 total yards...a week after they scored nearly that many POINTS on Ohio State.  The fact that Wisconsin's defense is playing this well right now, down this many starters, is downright scary.  S&P+ ranks them as the top defense in the entire nation.  To have a shot, Michigan has to win first down.  Alex Hornibrook is fine when he plays within himself, but when he doesn't...well, two pick sixes last week.  Considering nobody is moving the ball on Wisconsin, it's tough tothink that a struggling Michigan offense will be the one to break that streak.  So Wisconsin, don't turn the ball over, don't make special teams mistakes.  Don Brown is coming after you no matter what, but in this one, there might be a little extra emphasis on trying to force the splash plays, the turnovers, the sacks.  It's not going to be enough for the Michigan defense to just stop Wisconsin, they are going to have to set up their offense too.  You could tell from last week how ready for a big game Camp Randall was, and this is the one they've been pointing to since last season ended.  Michigan probably isn't walking into quite the beehive they did in Happy Valley, and Wisconsin doesn't have the type of personnel to exploit Michigan's lack of athleticism at linebacker like Penn State did, but this Wisconsin team feels even more like a machine than Penn State did prior to the Columbus and East Lansing trips.
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Re: #24 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) at #5 Wisconsin (7-0, 10-0) Game Week
« Reply #111 on: November 16, 2017, 09:05:32 AM »
There is a school of thought that Michigan is keeping things simple for Peters because he and many of his teammates on offense are young, inexperienced, and just not that good right now being a "rebuilding year."   Another theory is that Michigan has not had Peters pass more because they have not had to with the running game working so well.  No reason to open up the play book and put new stuff out there for Chryst and Meyer to game plan for.  So, this game should shed some light what is going on because a run-dimensional Michigan is not going to beat Wisconsin.
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