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Topic: 2026 Michigan Off-season Thread

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FearlessF

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Re: 2026 Michigan Off-season Thread
« Reply #364 on: December 19, 2025, 03:58:24 PM »
perhaps Elmo isn't real bright and just wants to be tickled 
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Re: 2026 Michigan Off-season Thread
« Reply #366 on: December 19, 2025, 04:08:33 PM »
Mike McDonald had 1 season in AA more a product of John than jim
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Re: 2026 Michigan Off-season Thread
« Reply #367 on: December 19, 2025, 04:42:15 PM »
While that's true, no one is saying he's a product of Michigan. He was the defensive coordinator of one of the teams in question. 

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Re: 2026 Michigan Off-season Thread
« Reply #368 on: December 19, 2025, 05:28:54 PM »
Jake Butt was suggesting just that if you read on,just saying
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Re: 2026 Michigan Off-season Thread
« Reply #369 on: December 19, 2025, 05:41:09 PM »
FFS... This is one of the things, as a fan of an neutral program, that pisses me off about the Michigan fans trying to constantly diminish this...

I don't care if Signgate wasn't particularly effective. That isn't the goddamned point. The point is that it was one of the most egregious and unconscionable cheating scandals I've ever seen. I put it akin to point shaving or paying off referees, but often those things can be coordinated by individual players or people outside the program, whereas this was institutionalized cheating... With literal receipts, submitted as part of expense reports! Bagmen and recruiting violations are one thing, but this was one of those that was targeting the sanctity of the actual on-the-field competition (much like point shaving or paying off referees). 

Trying to defend this is like terrorists saying "yeah, we intended to corrupt the NYC water supply with Ebola and kill several million people, but we screwed up the recipe and all we did was give a couple thousand people diarrhea." And then acting like they should be excused because they failed to achieve their intent. 

If your defense of cheating is "while, we were still good even when we stopped cheating, so our cheating didn't really matter!", you clearly don't see things the way the rest of college football sees them. 


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Re: 2026 Michigan Off-season Thread
« Reply #370 on: December 19, 2025, 05:44:20 PM »
Ed Zachery
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Re: 2026 Michigan Off-season Thread
« Reply #371 on: December 19, 2025, 08:30:33 PM »
FFS... This is one of the things, as a fan of an neutral program, that pisses me off about the Michigan fans trying to constantly diminish this...
What are Michigan fans supposed to do? Take the goddamn constant harassment any time any conversation for a decade about Michigan football comes up? Conversation about recruiting 3 years later. .. cheating.  Coach search. Cheating.. basketball.. well at least maybe they aren’t cheating.

when people stfu about it, then you can expect better response.

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Re: 2026 Michigan Off-season Thread
« Reply #372 on: December 19, 2025, 08:32:19 PM »
Is Michigan Auburn North or is Auburn Michigan South?

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Re: 2026 Michigan Off-season Thread
« Reply #373 on: December 19, 2025, 09:11:09 PM »
No, none will admit to cheating….at least outright. But if you read the comments, between the lines, they as much as do. Comments like karma, Harbaugh set us on a bad path, we’re paying for the last few years, etc.

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Re: 2026 Michigan Off-season Thread
« Reply #374 on: December 19, 2025, 11:42:41 PM »
FFS... This is one of the things, as a fan of an neutral program, that pisses me off about the Michigan fans trying to constantly diminish this...

I don't care if Signgate wasn't particularly effective. That isn't the goddamned point. The point is that it was one of the most egregious and unconscionable cheating scandals I've ever seen. I put it akin to point shaving or paying off referees, but often those things can be coordinated by individual players or people outside the program, whereas this was institutionalized cheating... With literal receipts, submitted as part of expense reports! Bagmen and recruiting violations are one thing, but this was one of those that was targeting the sanctity of the actual on-the-field competition (much like point shaving or paying off referees).

Trying to defend this is like terrorists saying "yeah, we intended to corrupt the NYC water supply with Ebola and kill several million people, but we screwed up the recipe and all we did was give a couple thousand people diarrhea." And then acting like they should be excused because they failed to achieve their intent.

If your defense of cheating is "while, we were still good even when we stopped cheating, so our cheating didn't really matter!", you clearly don't see things the way the rest of college football sees them.
We have many articulate posters here. betarhoalphadelta, this is one of the most articulate, thoughtful, and nuanced posts I have read on here, and which I subscribe to, except with regard to the boldfaced, underlined, italicized portion. I believe you intended to say, "as a fan of a neutered program."

 

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