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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: 2025 NFL Thread
« Reply #826 on: January 06, 2026, 07:55:05 PM »
For sure, just think how Indiana football fans must be feeling right about now.

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Re: 2025 NFL Thread
« Reply #827 on: January 06, 2026, 09:59:17 PM »
I miss the 2005 World Series. Great fun.

But why is called "world"?

Some of those Japanese teams these days would crush our teams if all of their players stayed home.
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Re: 2025 NFL Thread
« Reply #828 on: January 07, 2026, 01:18:12 PM »
Don't get me wrong... I'm still a fan of the sport. I enjoy the games for the enjoyment of the competition and appreciate the strategy and chess match between O and D. I also play fantasy, which keeps me invested in certain players and outcomes...

When college football and the NFL wrap up each year, I miss it and can't wait for the next season.

What I'm saying is that I enjoy the game, but as an interested observer rather than as a rabid partisan. There's not a team in the NFL that I have a significant emotional response to them winning or losing. I grew up a Bears fan. But seeing them lose is irrelevant to me, and seeing them have success like this year, it's sort of a mild nostalgia happiness of "oh, well, good for them!"

In CFB, on the other hand, even as a fan of a shitty team I hate to see them lose. And I spite their rivals' success. Watching IU have their success this year pains me in ways that should be embarrassing to reveal.

But what I can't see is becoming a frontrunner and being a fan of the current "hot" teams just to participate in success that I have no personal or emotional relationship with.

So.......you agree with me, it sounds like?

The one quibble I'd take with this view--and something utee mentioned earlier--is the dismissal of someone's enthusiasm who'd rightly be called a "frontrunner."  It makes total sense to me that a homeless fan such as ourselves could be genuinely taken in by a top notch team, because let's face it, those are the teams that are the most fun to watch if you don't "have" a team for yourself.  We don't tend to sit around watching mediocre people.....we like to watch greatness.  So if you don't have a particular team, what else would happen other than being captivated by people at the top of the game you like to watch?  

Caveat--if you're talking about people who suddenly act like they're hardcore genuine fans of the team and act like they always have been, and try to look down on fans of other teams in the process, then yeah.....that's stupid.  But if they just like watching whatever team(s) happen to be great at the time.....well, candidly, I identify with that, for the reasons mentioned above.  

Something similar happened to me from my childhood through my early 20's.  As a kid, if you'd asked me, I would've called myself a Chicago Bulls fan.  Turns out, I wasn't really.  I was a Michael Jordan fan, and to a lesser extent a Scottie Pippin fan, Dennis Rodman, Steve Kerr, Tony Kukoc, etc.  When Jordan hung it up with the Bulls (along with the coach and every other player on that 1998 team), I realized I had no interest in the Bulls anymore.  Louisiana had no NBA team at the time, and let's face it.....Michael Jordan was mesmerizing.  At least to a kid who loved to play basketball.  After that, for the remainder of my interest in the NBA (which is completely dead now), it was kind of the same thing.....I liked to watch specific players I liked, and failing that, whichever team was on TV.  

Same thing with the NFL now.  I loved watching Drew Brees.  Mourned when he retired.  But I liked him, not the Saints specifically.  I still enjoy watching the Saints if they're what's on, but I'd probably rather watch teams with other players I like.  If you like the game and don't have a particular team you root for, I think it's natural to gravitate toward great players, like, say, Patrick Mahomes.  I think it's fair to make a distinction between being a guy who genuinely likes watching the Chiefs play (me), and being a bandwagon "Chiefs fan" (not me).  If the Chiefs sucked for an extended period of time, and I became less interested in them like I am with the Brees-less Saints now, I maintain that's a fair stance, and don't deserve scorn which should be aimed at the stupid kind of frontrunners I mentioned.   

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Re: 2025 NFL Thread
« Reply #829 on: January 07, 2026, 01:36:30 PM »
Yeah I think there's a difference between just liking good football, and being a frontrunning fan.  To me, the latter implies what you mentioned-- acting as if the team is "yours" and looking down on others.  That's stupid and laughable.

If you just like watching good football rather than the shitty Cowboys, I can totally understand that.  I myself have enjoyed watching the Chiefs over the past many seasons, they've just been a really fun team to watch.  But I don't consider myself a Chiefs' fan nor do I discuss them as if they're "my" team.  And I also don't attempt to watch every game of theirs.  If they're on and I'm not doing something else, I'll probably sit down and watch some.


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« Reply #830 on: January 07, 2026, 01:41:16 PM »
For me, even the "shitty" Cowboys have a lot to offer me.  I like watching Dak and CeeDee, for example.  Even if they lose, they still usually give me a lot of entertainment.  There are others, but they are the high profile examples.  

I just have to stay out of my wife's way for about 30 minutes when they lose.  It's still better than when Texas loses tho.  That woman loves her Longhorns.  

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« Reply #831 on: January 07, 2026, 01:45:47 PM »
So.......you agree with me, it sounds like?

The one quibble I'd take with this view--and something utee mentioned earlier--is the dismissal of someone's enthusiasm who'd rightly be called a "frontrunner."  It makes total sense to me that a homeless fan such as ourselves could be genuinely taken in by a top notch team, because let's face it, those are the teams that are the most fun to watch if you don't "have" a team for yourself.  We don't tend to sit around watching mediocre people.....we like to watch greatness.  So if you don't have a particular team, what else would happen other than being captivated by people at the top of the game you like to watch? 

Caveat--if you're talking about people who suddenly act like they're hardcore genuine fans of the team and act like they always have been, and try to look down on fans of other teams in the process, then yeah.....that's stupid.  But if they just like watching whatever team(s) happen to be great at the time.....well, candidly, I identify with that, for the reasons mentioned above. 

Something similar happened to me from my childhood through my early 20's.  As a kid, if you'd asked me, I would've called myself a Chicago Bulls fan.  Turns out, I wasn't really.  I was a Michael Jordan fan, and to a lesser extent a Scottie Pippin fan, Dennis Rodman, Steve Kerr, Tony Kukoc, etc.  When Jordan hung it up with the Bulls (along with the coach and every other player on that 1998 team), I realized I had no interest in the Bulls anymore.  Louisiana had no NBA team at the time, and let's face it.....Michael Jordan was mesmerizing.  At least to a kid who loved to play basketball.  After that, for the remainder of my interest in the NBA (which is completely dead now), it was kind of the same thing.....I liked to watch specific players I liked, and failing that, whichever team was on TV. 

Same thing with the NFL now.  I loved watching Drew Brees.  Mourned when he retired.  But I liked him, not the Saints specifically.  I still enjoy watching the Saints if they're what's on, but I'd probably rather watch teams with other players I like.  If you like the game and don't have a particular team you root for, I think it's natural to gravitate toward great players, like, say, Patrick Mahomes.  I think it's fair to make a distinction between being a guy who genuinely likes watching the Chiefs play (me), and being a bandwagon "Chiefs fan" (not me).  If the Chiefs sucked for an extended period of time, and I became less interested in them like I am with the Brees-less Saints now, I maintain that's a fair stance, and don't deserve scorn which should be aimed at the stupid kind of frontrunners I mentioned. 
Yes, and my initial post was in response to @Gigem who kind of pushed back on @utee94 who was criticizing frontrunning fans. It was meant to say that what I believe to be true fandom in relation to a team is illogical, and emotional, and it's not just based on them being good or winning championships.

And true fandom, to me, means that you enjoy the teams wins far more than is logical, and are pained by the team's losses far more than is logical. I think it's something that comes from the deep-seated tribalism / pack mentality that is rooted in each of our psyches where we actually identify with the team itself (and fellow fans). That we enjoy success and are hurt by defeat as if we are one and the same with the team we are fans of. 

I do of course enjoy watching greatness. I enjoy watching Mahomes. I enjoy watching the Rams and their Super Bowl win was really cool here. But I don't have that primate attachment where their wins and losses affect me in that illogical and out-of-proportion way that IMHO accompanies true fandom. 

And I don't think the frontrunners have that either. I think they're either pretending and don't deserve my regard, or they're such shallow people that they can flip so easily and thus they don't deserve my regard. 

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Re: 2025 NFL Thread
« Reply #832 on: January 07, 2026, 02:41:32 PM »
For me, even the "shitty" Cowboys have a lot to offer me.  I like watching Dak and CeeDee, for example.  Even if they lose, they still usually give me a lot of entertainment.  There are others, but they are the high profile examples. 

I just have to stay out of my wife's way for about 30 minutes when they lose.  It's still better than when Texas loses tho.  That woman loves her Longhorns. 
Yeah I guess I enjoy watching the shitty Cowboys' offense. Sometimes.

 The defense, not so much.

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« Reply #833 on: January 07, 2026, 03:18:06 PM »
The defense, not so much.

If you did a shot every time trading Micah Parsons was mentioned during this last season, you'd have at least kept a healthy buzz through the entire Fall.  

In my estimation, Parsons' continued presence on the defense wouldn't have made that big of a difference.  Lack of an edge rush wasn't their foremost problem, or their secondary or tertiary problem.  

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« Reply #834 on: January 08, 2026, 08:53:39 AM »
Packers/Bears on Prime tonight?
Sorry, I don't have that
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« Reply #835 on: January 08, 2026, 09:24:18 AM »
Packers/Bears on Prime tonight?
Sorry, I don't have that

It's on Saturday night.  

So you still have two days to get Prime :)

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« Reply #836 on: January 08, 2026, 10:06:52 AM »
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« Reply #837 on: January 08, 2026, 01:00:18 PM »
My Prime should work in Mexico, yes?
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« Reply #838 on: January 08, 2026, 05:30:52 PM »
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« Reply #839 on: January 08, 2026, 05:32:17 PM »
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