2025 NFL Thread

[Riffraft]

3:13 remaining in the 3rd, and Tua is 11/20 for 89 yards and an interception, while Dillon Gabriel is 6/8 for 59 yards.

It's a shootout!

Pouring rain and winds gushing to 50

[betarhoalphadelta]

Pouring rain and winds gushing to 50

Ahh, good point. Sounds like an awful place to live 

[Riffraft]

Ahh, good point. Sounds like an awful place to live

Only lived there 78-79.  Long time ago

[ELA]

The fact that a forward fumble doesnt come back to the spot of the fumble remains the dumbest rule in football

[utee94]

The fact that a forward fumble doesnt come back to the spot of the fumble remains the dumbest rule in football

Should a fumble recovered by the defense not be allowed to be advanced but rather by rule, come back to the spot of the fumble?

I hate rules that are arbitrarily different for the offense versus the defense.

Similarly, either the tush-push should have remained illegal, or "forward progress" should be eliminated.  If offensive players that are not the ballcarrier are allowed to "push the pile" forward, then why shouldn't defensive players be allowed to "push the pile" backward?  In a world where "forward progress" can be a rule, then the tush-push should be illegal.  Either extra players should be allowed to push the pile, or they shouldn't be.  It shouldn't matter whether or not the players are on offense or defense, or whether or not they're pushing forward or backward.  If the ballcarrier isn't officially down, then the play should go on, until the ballcarrier is down.

[ELA]

well in one case the team that benefits is the one who made the good play, and in the other case the one who benefits is the one who made the bad play. 

If you merely get tackled, you are down there. But if you get tackled, and fumble the ball, if the ball happens to bounce in a a beneficial direction, you get the benefit of making a worse clay than if you had simply got and tackled. It makes no sense to me 

I would say the other thing that is up there is automatic first downs.  I can maybe see it any personal foul, but I hate how a defensive holding on 3rd and 17 is an automatic first down. it's a 10-yard penalty, so give them the 10 yd, and now it's third and seven

[utee94]

well in one case the team that benefits is the one who made the good play, and in the other case the one who benefits is the one who made the bad play.

If you merely get tackled, you are down there. But if you get tackled, and fumble the ball, if the ball happens to bounce in a a beneficial direction, you get the benefit of making a worse clay than if you had simply got and tackled. It makes no sense to me

I would say the other thing that is up there is automatic first downs.  I can maybe see it any personal foul, but I hate how a defensive holding on 3rd and 17 is an automatic first down. it's a 10-yard penalty, so give them the 10 yd, and now it's third and seven

A fumble isn't always a "good defensive play."  Often times it's just bad luck for the offense.  A bad pitch.  A mishandled snap.  Why should the defense get to benefit from something they didn't cause?  It's no different than the offense benefitting from a fumble forward.

So no, I don't agree with rules that arbitrarily treat offense and defense differently.  It's silly.

[utee94]

And the tush-push versus forward progress is an egregious example of this.  The entire reason the tush-push was illegal, is BECAUSE the rule-makers wanted a forward progress type of rule. Those balanced one another.

But then they went and legalized the tush-push, without unwinding the reciprocal rule.  It's stupid.

[ELA]

A fumble isn't always a "good defensive play."  Often times it's just bad luck for the offense.  A bad pitch.  A mishandled snap.  Why should the defense get to benefit from something they didn't cause?  It's no different than the offense benefitting from a fumble forward.

So no, I don't agree with rules that arbitrarily treat offense and defense differently.  It's silly.

Everything you named is also something the offense did incorrectly. 

So by your same logic, it's unfair that a defense can return a blocked kick, but a ball that's tipped at the line, but still travels 20 yards down field, the offense should be allowed to run down the field, pick it up, and run it in for a touchdown? 

[utee94]

Everything you named is also something the offense did incorrectly.

The offense might do something incorrectly but the defense didn't cause it.  So why can the defense benefit and not the offense?  It's stupid and silly and unnecessarily complicated.  

[ELA]

Again, so you think the offense should be able to pick up a missed FG and score, since all rules need to be the same both ways?

[utee94]

So by your same logic, it's unfair that a defense can return a blocked kick, but a ball that's tipped at the line, but still travels 20 yards down field, the offense should be allowed to run down the field, pick it up, and run it in for a touchdown?

Kicks are a different case because it's a play where the offense is deliberately transferring possession of the ball.  Special teams are not offense or defense.

[utee94]

Again, so you think the offense should be able to pick up a missed FG and score, since all rules need to be the same both ways?

Again, special teams are not offense or defense and they have a whole separate rulebook governing them.

[ELA]

But one side can do something that the other side can't.  So inherently unfair and complicated