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« Reply #812 on: January 06, 2026, 12:00:10 PM »
How so?
Refuse to adapt to his personnel.  He figure he was smart enough to make his way work no matter who was in the lineup

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« Reply #813 on: January 06, 2026, 12:14:17 PM »
What kind of fan are you if you don't follow a team through good times and bad?  What would even be the point?

I suppose there are plenty of frontrunning "fans" out there.  My nephew was a Baltimore Ravens fan back when they had murderers on the team and were winning a lot.  Then he was a New England Patriots fan for a decade or something.  Now who knows, I guess he was a Chiefs fan and maybe an Eagles fan?

What's even the point of that?
I'm not being 100% serious here, but what did they (or any team) do to deserve my fandom?  I mean, nobody expects any team to win the Championship every year, even Tom Brady and the Patriots lost a few SB's along the way.  

It's supposed to be entertainment.  If you're not entertained, why bother?  They are getting paid (the teams, the players, the coaches, the owners).  How are you being paid?  What is your time worth?  

I guess we can be philosophical about things and say that the taste of victory would be much sweeter if you persist as a fan through the hard times and all that, but I ain't got time for that.  If you're lucky, a fandom of 50+ years would result in about 2-3 championships AT BEST.  If you're a fan of the city near you, maybe 5-7 (unless you're Cleveland).  Case in Point- Houston.  Rockets, NBA champs 1994 and 1995.  Houston Astros, WS Champs twice (2017 and I think 2022 or '23).  They did lose the WS in 2005 and a couple more between 17 and 23.  That's it. That's the list.  4 championships in ~50+ years, unless you count the Oilers and the AFL title back in the 60's.  

Outside of Boston and maybe Philly, you're in for a long sad fandom.  And Boston had a really long time between WS.  

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« Reply #814 on: January 06, 2026, 12:29:46 PM »
I miss the 2005 World Series. Great fun.

But why is called "world"?

Some of those Japanese teams these days would crush our teams if all of their players stayed home.
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« Reply #815 on: January 06, 2026, 12:35:14 PM »
Refuse to adapt to his personnel.  He figure he was smart enough to make his way work no matter who was in the lineup
RR my friend respectfully that is BS - "they" meaning the dim bulbs named Haslam and his dei hire Barry gutted Stephanskies roster with a craptacular QB trade/deal.Then they proved that is no fluke with maybe the worst WR room in the league. These arsonists torched the Operation and blame the HC for not putting it out,ya can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

  Stephanskie brought aboard Jim Schwarz and had won Coach of the year twice.Remember Belichick,leaving and Newsome leaving,how did that work out for them? Wouldn't be shocked at all if he lands on the Giants sidelines. I've watched/listened as local announcers,broadcasters and writers across the board pan this pathetic front office.One of the national guys called the Giants and told them what a dumpster fire the F.O. is.

This fraud owner is rich because daddy deep pockets left him some coin nothing he's built with personal  aptitude. In 13 yrs as owner off the top of my head teams like SF,Sea. & NE have rose,fell and have risen again in that time span while we wallow in the mire

 PS-the only decent QB we've had he got rid off
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« Reply #816 on: January 06, 2026, 03:18:14 PM »
RR my friend respectfully that is BS - "they" meaning the dim bulbs named Haslam and his dei hire Barry gutted Stephanskies roster with a craptacular QB trade/deal.Then they proved that is no fluke with maybe the worst WR room in the league. These arsonists torched the Operation and blame the HC for not putting it out,ya can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

  Stephanskie brought aboard Jim Schwarz and had won Coach of the year twice.Remember Belichick,leaving and Newsome leaving,how did that work out for them? Wouldn't be shocked at all if he lands on the Giants sidelines. I've watched/listened as local announcers,broadcasters and writers across the board pan this pathetic front office.One of the national guys called the Giants and told them what a dumpster fire the F.O. is.

This fraud owner is rich because daddy deep pockets left him some coin nothing he's built with personal  aptitude. In 13 yrs as owner off the top of my head teams like SF,Sea. & NE have rose,fell and have risen again in that time span while we wallow in the mire

 PS-the only decent QB we've had he got rid off
All you have to do is look at bakers injury year. Stefanski continued to call plays that baker had no way to perform.  I agree that Watson trade screwed everything up  but Stefanski was as much a part of getting rid of baker.  He made sure berry and Haslam did not want to retain him.

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« Reply #817 on: January 06, 2026, 03:22:26 PM »
I'm not being 100% serious here, but what did they (or any team) do to deserve my fandom?  I mean, nobody expects any team to win the Championship every year, even Tom Brady and the Patriots lost a few SB's along the way. 

It's supposed to be entertainment.  If you're not entertained, why bother?  They are getting paid (the teams, the players, the coaches, the owners).  How are you being paid?  What is your time worth? 

I guess we can be philosophical about things and say that the taste of victory would be much sweeter if you persist as a fan through the hard times and all that, but I ain't got time for that.  If you're lucky, a fandom of 50+ years would result in about 2-3 championships AT BEST.  If you're a fan of the city near you, maybe 5-7 (unless you're Cleveland).  Case in Point- Houston.  Rockets, NBA champs 1994 and 1995.  Houston Astros, WS Champs twice (2017 and I think 2022 or '23).  They did lose the WS in 2005 and a couple more between 17 and 23.  That's it. That's the list.  4 championships in ~50+ years, unless you count the Oilers and the AFL title back in the 60's. 

Outside of Boston and maybe Philly, you're in for a long sad fandom.  And Boston had a really long time between WS. 
You're asking logical questions about something, "fandom", where "fan" is short for "fanatic". 

To me, you're a fan because of emotion, not logic. I grew up watching the Bears. That's the team I rooted for, that's the team my parents rooted for, that's the team that the city of Chicago rooted for. It wasn't logical. It was just "our" team. In reality, the Bears were not really anything to me. I've since lost that fandom and I'm now a "homeless" NFL fan... I don't have a team. 

I started and still root for Purdue. I didn't grow up rooting for Purdue. Nobody in my family went to Purdue, nor did my family even care about college sports as both my parents went to colleges without robust athletic programs, and Chicago was a very pro sports dominated city. But I went to Purdue. I became a Boilermaker. I cheered in the stands with my closest college friends and lived Purdue wins and losses because it's my school. Is it logical? No. I wasn't an athlete. Purdue's performance on the football field or basketball court didn't really have any relationship to the quality of instruction I had in electrical engineering. In short, they were decoupled. And yet I still care and I'm still a fan. 

The logical thing is to be fans of the best teams in each sport, and to throw teams aside if they are usurped by other teams. Logically, that's the route to the most fan happiness. But to me that's a soulless, calculated fandom. It's manufactured.

I could never do that, because I know that if a team doesn't give me a negative emotional reaction when they lose, then I don't care about them enough to truly enjoy or get a positive emotional reaction from a win. 

Fandom isn't about winning championships. It's about an identity or experience that connects you emotionally with other people. And those connections are built much more strongly sticking through down years together as it is enjoying the wins together. 

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« Reply #818 on: January 06, 2026, 03:25:23 PM »
You're asking logical questions about something, "fandom", where "fan" is short for "fanatic".

To me, you're a fan because of emotion, not logic. I grew up watching the Bears. That's the team I rooted for, that's the team my parents rooted for, that's the team that the city of Chicago rooted for. It wasn't logical. It was just "our" team. In reality, the Bears were not really anything to me. I've since lost that fandom and I'm now a "homeless" NFL fan... I don't have a team.

I started and still root for Purdue. I didn't grow up rooting for Purdue. Nobody in my family went to Purdue, nor did my family even care about college sports as both my parents went to colleges without robust athletic programs, and Chicago was a very pro sports dominated city. But I went to Purdue. I became a Boilermaker. I cheered in the stands with my closest college friends and lived Purdue wins and losses because it's my school. Is it logical? No. I wasn't an athlete. Purdue's performance on the football field or basketball court didn't really have any relationship to the quality of instruction I had in electrical engineering. In short, they were decoupled. And yet I still care and I'm still a fan.

The logical thing is to be fans of the best teams in each sport, and to throw teams aside if they are usurped by other teams. Logically, that's the route to the most fan happiness. But to me that's a soulless, calculated fandom. It's manufactured.

I could never do that, because I know that if a team doesn't give me a negative emotional reaction when they lose, then I don't care about them enough to truly enjoy or get a positive emotional reaction from a win.

Fandom isn't about winning championships. It's about an identity or experience that connects you emotionally with other people. And those connections are built much more strongly sticking through down years together as it is enjoying the wins together.

Also, sometimes the team you’re a fan of gets real good, and that’s super cool if you had some lean years.

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« Reply #819 on: January 06, 2026, 03:29:53 PM »
Also, sometimes the team you’re a fan of gets real good, and that’s super cool if you had some lean years.
For sure, just think how Indiana football fans must be feeling right about now.

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« Reply #820 on: January 06, 2026, 04:35:57 PM »
You're asking logical questions about something, "fandom", where "fan" is short for "fanatic".

To me, you're a fan because of emotion, not logic. I grew up watching the Bears. That's the team I rooted for, that's the team my parents rooted for, that's the team that the city of Chicago rooted for. It wasn't logical. It was just "our" team. In reality, the Bears were not really anything to me. I've since lost that fandom and I'm now a "homeless" NFL fan... I don't have a team.

I started and still root for Purdue. I didn't grow up rooting for Purdue. Nobody in my family went to Purdue, nor did my family even care about college sports as both my parents went to colleges without robust athletic programs, and Chicago was a very pro sports dominated city. But I went to Purdue. I became a Boilermaker. I cheered in the stands with my closest college friends and lived Purdue wins and losses because it's my school. Is it logical? No. I wasn't an athlete. Purdue's performance on the football field or basketball court didn't really have any relationship to the quality of instruction I had in electrical engineering. In short, they were decoupled. And yet I still care and I'm still a fan.

The logical thing is to be fans of the best teams in each sport, and to throw teams aside if they are usurped by other teams. Logically, that's the route to the most fan happiness. But to me that's a soulless, calculated fandom. It's manufactured.

I could never do that, because I know that if a team doesn't give me a negative emotional reaction when they lose, then I don't care about them enough to truly enjoy or get a positive emotional reaction from a win.

Fandom isn't about winning championships. It's about an identity or experience that connects you emotionally with other people. And those connections are built much more strongly sticking through down years together as it is enjoying the wins together.


I would suggest we could modify the definition of "fan."  It doesn't have to be tied to a particular team, although at one time I would've disputed that, and granted, it's a different kind of fandom.  We could use the concept of "enthusiast" as an additional definition of "fan." So that, while I'm a homeless NFL fan, like you, I nevertheless consider myself a fan, in that I like to watch the games, I appreciate the sport, and I miss it when it's not there.  

For most of my life that wasn't true.  For me, NFL < rat's ass.  I didn't watch it and didn't care.  Now I do watch it, and enjoy it.  Clearly, something has shifted in the game's relationship to me, and it seems incorrect to deny some type of fandom. 

For the most part, it doesn't matter who's playing, I just like to watch the games.  So while I don't "have" a team (and I'm not sure how I could force myself to go about that process), I'm still a fan of the game, if not a particular team.  And there are tons of players I enjoy watching.  And then there's the element of how I like to keep an eye on former LSU players and genuinely root for them to have a good game, complete with some level of sadness if they don't.  But that's spread out across nearly every team in the league.  

And by your definition, I still think it can be viewed as an identity and shared experience with others.....it's fun to come on here and talk about something interesting that happened in a game with other fans, even if the ending didn't elate me or gut-punch me like it surely did some others.  Though it obviously lacks the element of stronger connections due to weathering tough years and the same sort of shared joy from a great year.  

I have as much of an emotional tie to the Cowboys as is possible for my background (unless I figure out a way to manufacture a fandom more in line with my LSU fandom).  It's rooted in being married to a fan and likely having some level of empathy for her emotional interests, and then watching all the games with her for the past several years that we've been married (familiarity doesn't just breed contempt, it can also breed affinity....or maybe it's Stockholm Syndrome, not sure).  But it obviously lacks elements that, say, her Cowboys fandom has.  But that doesn't mean I don't love watching them play.  Because I do.  I might love watching many teams play, but to me that just reiterates that I'm a fan of the sport and not a team, but a fan nonetheless.  

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« Reply #821 on: January 06, 2026, 05:37:05 PM »
Jerry Jones would like to have a word with you.
Point taken but at least Jerry has a few rings not since jimmy left but suffice to say we've been feeling it a lot longer than "BOYS" have
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« Reply #822 on: January 06, 2026, 06:11:32 PM »
Point taken but at least Jerry has a few rings not since jimmy left but suffice to say we've been feeling it a lot longer than "BOYS" have
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« Reply #823 on: January 06, 2026, 06:27:48 PM »
All you have to do is look at bakers injury year. Stefanski continued to call plays that baker had no way to perform.  I agree that Watson trade screwed everything up  but Stefanski was as much a part of getting rid of baker.  He made sure berry and Haslam did not want to retain him.
 Ya they should have played Keenum a few more games.I said Baker was decent not great but he had ONE  year left on his contract and was demanding an extension while injured so Jimma & Berry had no problem selling him down the river either. So how about an offense that was 30th out of 32 teams this year worse than the 28th they finished last year. There were some questionable calls but he had to take risks with a roster full of holes as lineman were on the ground looking thru their ear holes. That all Kevin's fault too along with the 230 million dollar man couldn't even make the field - AGAIN.

 Probably could have used a few of those picks to build an interior like competent F.O.s do. The coach had won 8 games in 2 years with a roster sprinkled with arena league players. The franchise woes are roster related from a front office of yippy,yappy and yahooey at least DEPODESTA did us a favor and went back to baseball. Coach Steph is probably glad to grab his buy out with his ticket out of the Factory of Sadness than deal with those douche canoes any longer. BTW he has interviews with Titans,Falcons and Giants - some one is going to take a chance a 2 X Coach of the Year
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« Reply #824 on: January 06, 2026, 06:30:04 PM »
Put some respect on utee's buddy Barry Switzer's name!
Ya he's fervant about any Sooners specially the squeaky clean ones like the Bootlegger's Boy
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« Reply #825 on: January 06, 2026, 07:25:27 PM »

I would suggest we could modify the definition of "fan."  It doesn't have to be tied to a particular team, although at one time I would've disputed that, and granted, it's a different kind of fandom.  We could use the concept of "enthusiast" as an additional definition of "fan." So that, while I'm a homeless NFL fan, like you, I nevertheless consider myself a fan, in that I like to watch the games, I appreciate the sport, and I miss it when it's not there. 

For most of my life that wasn't true.  For me, NFL < rat's ass.  I didn't watch it and didn't care.  Now I do watch it, and enjoy it.  Clearly, something has shifted in the game's relationship to me, and it seems incorrect to deny some type of fandom. 

For the most part, it doesn't matter who's playing, I just like to watch the games.  So while I don't "have" a team (and I'm not sure how I could force myself to go about that process), I'm still a fan of the game, if not a particular team.  And there are tons of players I enjoy watching.  And then there's the element of how I like to keep an eye on former LSU players and genuinely root for them to have a good game, complete with some level of sadness if they don't.  But that's spread out across nearly every team in the league. 

And by your definition, I still think it can be viewed as an identity and shared experience with others.....it's fun to come on here and talk about something interesting that happened in a game with other fans, even if the ending didn't elate me or gut-punch me like it surely did some others.  Though it obviously lacks the element of stronger connections due to weathering tough years and the same sort of shared joy from a great year. 

I have as much of an emotional tie to the Cowboys as is possible for my background (unless I figure out a way to manufacture a fandom more in line with my LSU fandom).  It's rooted in being married to a fan and likely having some level of empathy for her emotional interests, and then watching all the games with her for the past several years that we've been married (familiarity doesn't just breed contempt, it can also breed affinity....or maybe it's Stockholm Syndrome, not sure).  But it obviously lacks elements that, say, her Cowboys fandom has.  But that doesn't mean I don't love watching them play.  Because I do.  I might love watching many teams play, but to me that just reiterates that I'm a fan of the sport and not a team, but a fan nonetheless. 
Don't get me wrong... I'm still a fan of the sport. I enjoy the games for the enjoyment of the competition and appreciate the strategy and chess match between O and D. I also play fantasy, which keeps me invested in certain players and outcomes...

When college football and the NFL wrap up each year, I miss it and can't wait for the next season. 

What I'm saying is that I enjoy the game, but as an interested observer rather than as a rabid partisan. There's not a team in the NFL that I have a significant emotional response to them winning or losing. I grew up a Bears fan. But seeing them lose is irrelevant to me, and seeing them have success like this year, it's sort of a mild nostalgia happiness of "oh, well, good for them!" 

In CFB, on the other hand, even as a fan of a shitty team I hate to see them lose. And I spite their rivals' success. Watching IU have their success this year pains me in ways that should be embarrassing to reveal. 

But what I can't see is becoming a frontrunner and being a fan of the current "hot" teams just to participate in success that I have no personal or emotional relationship with. 

 

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