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Topic: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1206 on: March 16, 2026, 01:06:46 PM »
Get rid of Portland as a site and put them in Indy, Cleveland or Chicago. That would work. 

The West doesn't ever deserve to have more than one site.
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« Reply #1207 on: March 16, 2026, 01:10:38 PM »
I mean, I was kinda kidding.......
Well, they got 4 BTT games out of the deal, and now he's only 1 assist behind the record. 

So he should have the sole record before halftime Friday. 

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1208 on: March 16, 2026, 01:20:59 PM »
The committee has shown us all that they are either unwilling (too lazy) or unable (too stupid) to evaluate quality of opposition so now ALL schools have been put on notice that Bill Snyder was right, NEVER SCHEDULE A LOSS. 

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The problem is that, as always, you will get more of what you reward and less of what you punish.  The committee has rewarded crap scheduling and punished tough scheduling. 
So, this is actually pretty interesting, and could be more so without the extra commentary and over-emphasis on what transpired this year. 

UW fans were discussing this at one point in the offseason. Greg Gard likes to schedule hard games, but in a big conference, you  can put your win volume at risk (a few years back UW had the Q1/2 wins, one Q3 loss, but at 17-14 with poor predictives, got left out). So you probably can't schedule all good teams, go 13-20 and say "it's a super tough 13-20, lemme in." 

But if you schedule just to chase win volume, there are, in fact, two sorts of punishments. The first is that teams with solid win numbers are often left out. OSU was out with 20 wins a few years back. South Carolina missed with 24 about 10 years ago. That usually reflects schedules and such. The second is that most good teams schedule some good teams, and when they win, they're rewarded with good seeds. If you bodybag your way to 11-0 and then end up 20-11, you're gonna be much lower seeded than a team that tried. 

It's a funny one because you can't know exactly what you should've done until after. Like, Auburn didn't expect to be right on the bubble, so they're likely not building their team that way. Similarly, a team like Miami, Ohio is such a historical accident, there's not much intention in a soft schedule (as we've seen, they didn't even intend to have what they did). 

To a degree, for a team that could reasonably compete for an at-large should schedule enough tough games to push the ceiling, but not so many they might really kneecap themselves in the larger conference schedule era. The only thing that works against this is sometimes a desperate coach will fill the non-con with cupcakes to say "hey, I know we didn't make the dance, but I was 19-11, so please don't fire me." Low-bid league stuff is in it's own odd place because you're hunting as many buy games as make sense, looking for anyone who will pay you for a neutral game and then trying to make sure you have a somewhat functional home slate economically (and if you can sneak in a cool mid-major on mid-major for yourself if you can get it). 

One interesting space going forward is going to be if behaviors around Christmas games ever change. For a while, no one has wanted to play those, so bigger teams tend to get really desperate teams to fill them. Maybe that changes, although maybe the bigger teams would be fine with the status quo. 

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1209 on: March 16, 2026, 01:56:18 PM »
The second is that most good teams schedule some good teams, and when they win, they're rewarded with good seeds. If you bodybag your way to 11-0 and then end up 20-11, you're gonna be much lower seeded than a team that tried.
Exactly. Purdue finished 27-8 with 7 conference losses, and were 7th in conference. They were obviously helped by their BTT run, of course, but look at who they played OOC--basing on NET:

  • #6 Iowa State (home) -- this one is the bad blowout home loss
  • #18 Alabama (away) -- this was taking on a top 10 (at the time) team at their place, and was a VERY big win
  • #19 Texas Tech (neutral) -- Purdue blew the doors right off them, which was the balance for the ISU loss
  • #38 Auburn (home) -- blew them out by 28 points

They also had comfortable double digit OOC home wins against NET top-100 teams Akron (54 / Q2) and Marquette (93 / Q3).


With 8 losses they got the 2 seed along with Houston (6 losses), ISU (7 losses) and UConn (5 losses). They were chosen over the teams on the 3 line like MSU (7 losses and H2H win over Purdue at Mackey), Gonzaga (3 losses), Illinois (8 losses but H2H win over Purdue at Mackey), and Virginia (5 losses). 

In NET, Purdue was #9 but got the 2 line over Illinois (#8), and over MSU (#11), both per above with H2H wins over the Boilermakers. Do we really think Purdue would be sitting on the 2 line w/o their OOC scheduling and performance?

I don't really care who gets the 11 seed. If you're weak enough to be on the 11 line, you're in "we're just happy to be here" territory. 

But if you're angling for a top seed, scheduling tough OOC (and winning those games) seems to be helpful. 

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1210 on: March 16, 2026, 02:09:31 PM »
Exactly. Purdue finished 27-8 with 7 conference losses, and were 7th in conference. They were obviously helped by their BTT run, of course, but look at who they played OOC--basing on NET:

  • #6 Iowa State (home) -- this one is the bad blowout home loss
  • #18 Alabama (away) -- this was taking on a top 10 (at the time) team at their place, and was a VERY big win
  • #19 Texas Tech (neutral) -- Purdue blew the doors right off them, which was the balance for the ISU loss
  • #38 Auburn (home) -- blew them out by 28 points

They also had comfortable double digit OOC home wins against NET top-100 teams Akron (54 / Q2) and Marquette (93 / Q3).


With 8 losses they got the 2 seed along with Houston (6 losses), ISU (7 losses) and UConn (5 losses). They were chosen over the teams on the 3 line like MSU (7 losses and H2H win over Purdue at Mackey), Gonzaga (3 losses), Illinois (8 losses but H2H win over Purdue at Mackey), and Virginia (5 losses).

In NET, Purdue was #9 but got the 2 line over Illinois (#8), and over MSU (#11), both per above with H2H wins over the Boilermakers. Do we really think Purdue would be sitting on the 2 line w/o their OOC scheduling and performance?

I don't really care who gets the 11 seed. If you're weak enough to be on the 11 line, you're in "we're just happy to be here" territory.

But if you're angling for a top seed, scheduling tough OOC (and winning those games) seems to be helpful.
Yep! And if you flipped some of that, say turn led three of those really big wins into three conference wins but replace them with body bags, you might end up worse than a 2.

Also, really good on Painter for saying “my team is good, we can take a tough schedule.” By my count, only five games you’d consider body bags, one in-state, two decidedly good MAC teams, plus one with a long-time respected head coach.

Memphis and Marquette didn’t turn out good, but both are high-investment programs.

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1211 on: March 16, 2026, 02:09:49 PM »
The left side of my bracket is a mess.

The East has all the teams I was going to fade, the South has all the teams I was bullish about.

The Midwest has a bunch of teams I don't like, but Michigan and Iowa State at the top at least cleans it up.  I know it's chalk, but I would be as shocked as you can be about an Elite 8 game, if it's NOT Michigan-Iowa State

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1212 on: March 16, 2026, 02:11:28 PM »
Yep! And if you flipped some of that, say turn led three of those really big wins into three conference wins but replace them with body bags, you might end up worse than a 2.

Also, really good on Painter for saying “my team is good, we can take a tough schedule.” By my count, only five games you’d consider body bags, one in-state, two decidedly good MAC teams, plus one with a long-time respected head coach.

Memphis and Marquette didn’t turn out good, but both are high-investment programs.
I think the way the NET calculates is better to how Izzo schedules, which is generally 4-5 really big names, and then a bunch of sub 300 teams, which always killed their SOS in the RPI.  The NET seems to more or less recognize that once you get below a certain number, who cares how bad your bad opponents are.

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1213 on: March 16, 2026, 02:16:56 PM »
Chances he misses a single game?

Alabama's NIL is really a bail fund.

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1214 on: March 16, 2026, 02:30:15 PM »

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1215 on: March 16, 2026, 03:10:19 PM »
I think the way the NET calculates is better to how Izzo schedules, which is generally 4-5 really big names, and then a bunch of sub 300 teams, which always killed their SOS in the RPI.  The NET seems to more or less recognize that once you get below a certain number, who cares how bad your bad opponents are.
I think part of it is the margin of victory element. If you are smacking those teams around, it’s mostly fine. In retrospect, RPI was a pretty damn flawed system.

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1216 on: March 16, 2026, 03:28:06 PM »
I guess you guys like this:

Personally, I don't.  I'd rather see quality BB.  

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1217 on: March 16, 2026, 03:43:53 PM »
So you probably can't schedule all good teams, go 13-20 and say "it's a super tough 13-20, lemme in."
This is a theoretical question that interests me.  Personally I would be open to letting in a 13-20 team but it would have to be on an INSANE schedule that would never realistically happen so it probably isn't relevant.  But what about a team with Auburn's record (17-16).  Could that be enough to get in if it was a "super tough" 17-16?  

Some people on this thread keep repeating "31-0" and are apparently either unwilling or unable to distinguish between playing Trinity Christian, Indiana University East, and Milligan and playing Arizona, Michigan, and Purdue.  

If you look at that and the only difference you see is 3-0 vs the first three vs 0-3 vs the second three that is your problem.  I know that you @bayareabadger are capable of seeing more than that so let me ask you:

How strong would the SoS of a team that went 17-16 have to be before you'd put them in this year's bracket?  

From what I've seen on this thread it appears that I am a very small minority in saying that I'd include this year's Auburn because they played a REALLY tough schedule and I prefer that to clubbing baby seals (Miami).  Ok, where is YOUR line?  

Per KenPom Auburn's SoS was #4, Miami's was #269.  

Per NET Auburn was:

  • 4-13 Q1
  • 3-2 Q2
  • 4-1 Q3
  • 6-0 Q4
Miami was:
  • 0-0 Q1
  • 3-0 Q2
  • 10-0 Q3
  • 15-1 Q4
  • 3-0 in non-DI games (Trinity Christian, Indiana University East, Milligan)


What if, hypothetically, Auburn had replaced the six Q4 games with Q1 games and won them all.  They'd have a higher NET and be 10-13 in Q1.  From what I've seen in this thread Max would compare the two and still say "31-0".  To me that is ludicrous.  What say you?  

 

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