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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #252 on: December 03, 2025, 11:14:20 PM »
Conference road games always tough, even in December 

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #253 on: December 03, 2025, 11:30:26 PM »
Minnesota beat Indiana? 


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« Reply #254 on: December 05, 2025, 01:24:39 PM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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« Reply #255 on: December 05, 2025, 01:27:34 PM »
Count me as skeptical on USC.  That Maui field was the worst ever, comfortably.  I remember people worrying with the 2017 field, which only had 3 ranked teams, one was Wichita State, they failed to land an ACC or Big XII team, and Cal was the Pac 10 rep

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« Reply #256 on: December 05, 2025, 01:43:37 PM »
Still trying to decide whether I'm going to try to get tickets for Purdue @ USC. Not going to try to get UCLA because it's a Tuesday evening... No way in hell I'm trying to drive to see that! But the USC game is a Saturday afternoon...



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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #257 on: December 05, 2025, 01:48:42 PM »
I had a random thought last night because I used to sometimes enjoy conference tournaments more than the NCAA tournament.  Because I thought the quantity overwhelmed the slight quality difference.  The conference expansions has sort of changed that.

It feels like because the top conferences have gobbled everyone up, there are fewer 2-3 bid leagues fighting for bids.  You have the 1 bid leagues, and the power leagues where you are trying to figure out if to blah teams play, whether who wins that game matters, and that game usually happens on Thursday.  By the weekend, the results don't matter.  Nobody actually cares who wins these tournaments.  There's a reason it's the Big Ten Tournament, and not the Big Ten Championship Tournament.  It's a tournament.  It's fun, but so is Maui.

What if we figured out a formula, based on the last 1-2 seasons, plus the preseason, to determine how many bids each conference "earned".  Puts big weight on the regular season to stay above that cut line, and then the tournament is for whatever the last spot is.

So the one bid leagues, nothing changes.  The larger conferences, it makes those tournaments fun again.  When the Big Ten had 11 teams, it started Thursday, and everyone played by the next day.  Now there are 3 days before the last teams join in.  before, #10 Northwestern could beat another bad #7 team, then they were one upset away from being in the semifinal, and you were interested.  Now, #17 Northwestern needs to win 3 games, just to get to Friday.  Those teams aren't playing themselves in.

So, for instance, last year, the Big Ten got 8 teams in.  I'm not saying the formula would say 8, but lets say it did.

Top 7 are in, and don't play in the BTT.  That means the last auto-bid is Illinois, but it creates drama on that 7 line.  The other 11 teams enter a tournament for that 8th slot.  PSU isn't winning the as-is BTT.  But the as-is BTT isn't a thing.  It's literally just a tournament to determine the auto-bid.  And whoever wins it was going to be in anyway, so who cares.  Now, it's an 11 team tournament, with Oregon as the 1 seed, to determine the "auto-bid" as that 8th team.  Can PSU win that tournament?  Still, probably not, but possibly.  But can Indiana?  Ohio State?  Rutgers?  Possibly.  That's a fun tournament

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #258 on: December 05, 2025, 02:11:28 PM »
I had a random thought last night because I used to sometimes enjoy conference tournaments more than the NCAA tournament.  Because I thought the quantity overwhelmed the slight quality difference.  The conference expansions has sort of changed that.

It feels like because the top conferences have gobbled everyone up, there are fewer 2-3 bid leagues fighting for bids.  You have the 1 bid leagues, and the power leagues where you are trying to figure out if to blah teams play, whether who wins that game matters, and that game usually happens on Thursday.  By the weekend, the results don't matter.  Nobody actually cares who wins these tournaments.  There's a reason it's the Big Ten Tournament, and not the Big Ten Championship Tournament.  It's a tournament.  It's fun, but so is Maui.

What if we figured out a formula, based on the last 1-2 seasons, plus the preseason, to determine how many bids each conference "earned".  Puts big weight on the regular season to stay above that cut line, and then the tournament is for whatever the last spot is.

So the one bid leagues, nothing changes.  The larger conferences, it makes those tournaments fun again.  When the Big Ten had 11 teams, it started Thursday, and everyone played by the next day.  Now there are 3 days before the last teams join in.  before, #10 Northwestern could beat another bad #7 team, then they were one upset away from being in the semifinal, and you were interested.  Now, #17 Northwestern needs to win 3 games, just to get to Friday.  Those teams aren't playing themselves in.

So, for instance, last year, the Big Ten got 8 teams in.  I'm not saying the formula would say 8, but lets say it did.

Top 7 are in, and don't play in the BTT.  That means the last auto-bid is Illinois, but it creates drama on that 7 line.  The other 11 teams enter a tournament for that 8th slot.  PSU isn't winning the as-is BTT.  But the as-is BTT isn't a thing.  It's literally just a tournament to determine the auto-bid.  And whoever wins it was going to be in anyway, so who cares.  Now, it's an 11 team tournament, with Oregon as the 1 seed, to determine the "auto-bid" as that 8th team.  Can PSU win that tournament?  Still, probably not, but possibly.  But can Indiana?  Ohio State?  Rutgers?  Possibly.  That's a fun tournament
And just to play it out, based on the actual results last year (adjusting for H/A)

THURSDAY
#11 Washington d. #6 Northwestern
#7 USC d. #10 Penn State
#8 Iowa d. #9 Nebraska

FRIDAY
#1 Oregon d. #8 Iowa
#2 Indiana d. #7 USC
#3 Ohio State d. #11 Washington
#4 Rutgers d. #5 Minnesota

SATURDAY
#1 Oregon d. #4 Rutgers
#2 Indiana d. #3 Ohio State

SUNDAY
#1 Oregon d. #2 Indiana

So, Oregon still gets the bid, but those games, with actual stakes, is so much better than the actual meaningless conference tournaments

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #259 on: December 05, 2025, 04:40:17 PM »
And just to play it out, based on the actual results last year (adjusting for H/A)

THURSDAY
#11 Washington d. #6 Northwestern
#7 USC d. #10 Penn State
#8 Iowa d. #9 Nebraska

FRIDAY
#1 Oregon d. #8 Iowa
#2 Indiana d. #7 USC
#3 Ohio State d. #11 Washington
#4 Rutgers d. #5 Minnesota

SATURDAY
#1 Oregon d. #4 Rutgers
#2 Indiana d. #3 Ohio State

SUNDAY
#1 Oregon d. #2 Indiana

So, Oregon still gets the bid, but those games, with actual stakes, is so much better than the actual meaningless conference tournaments
I really like this idea but I have a question.  Before I get to my question, here is why I like this:

One thing about BB is that, as an Ohio State fan, I've seen my team pretty much everywhere on the map.  @betarhoalphadelta sometimes points out that I really struggle to understand the motives of say Purdue fans in Football because for my entire Ohio State football fandom, Ohio State has been at or near the top almost every year.  Basketball is different.  I've seen my team as the #1 seed in the BTT and as a NCAA bubble team needing a run and I've seen them as the last seed in the BTT (11 back when we had 11 teams).  I don't have to try to figure out what other fanbases think because you name it, my team has been there.  

When my team has been an easy NCAA lock, the BTT always feels like an exhibition.  I want my team to avoid a bad loss so as not to diminish seeding in the NCAA and it is fun to win but I care a lot more about getting out of it with no injuries.  

When my team is at the bottom (needing to win the BTT to get in to the NCAA) I kinda keep track of it but I know that realistically the worst team in the BTT isn't going to make it to the NCAA.  Basically, I'll start getting excited if they get to the semi-finals (or at least the quarter-finals).  

When my team is a bubble team, that is when the BTT is the most interesting to me.  I'm talking about a situation where Ohio State needs a difficult but achievable two or three wins.  Maybe Ohio State needs three wins and those break down as:
  • A game that they should win, and
  • A roughly toss-up game, an
  • One upset.  
That is exciting.  It isn't like when you are the #11 seed in an 11-team tournament and you need five upsets in five days.  We all know that the chances of that are slim an none.  When you need the three games I laid out above, you probably have something like a 25% chance of getting it.  That is enough to be excited about.  

Looking at the above, what they need:
  • #11 Washington needs four upsets in four days.  Probably not happening but at least they don't have to play Purdue.  It isn't altogether impossible.  
  • #7-10 (USC, IA, UNL, PSU) need to win a toss-up then three upsets.  Unlikely, not impossible.  
  • #4-5 (MN, RU) need to win a toss-up then two minor upsets.  
  • #1-3 (Ore, IU, tOSU) need to win a game they should then two toss-ups.  Exciting, possible.  

Now my question:
What would you do about bid thieves?  

One bid leagues are easy because they get one bid no matter what but what about a league with one team good enough to get in as an at-large and then a bunch of bad teams.  What if the one good team gets upset?  

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #260 on: December 05, 2025, 05:07:37 PM »
Ohio State has a BB game tomorrow that almost zero Ohio State fans are even going to realize is happening.  The thing is, it is a REALLY important game.  

Ohio State is looking like a bubble team and I *THINK* they are maybe slightly better than Northwestern but the game is in Evanston so it feels like at best a toss-up.  If the Buckeyes are going to make the Tournament, it is games like this one that they need to find a way to win.  

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« Reply #261 on: December 05, 2025, 07:28:33 PM »
I like the idea. The issue is that it's completely unworkable. You can't hamstring the selection committee into "you HAVE to select this many teams from the B1G" preseason because you don't know what the strength of the league will be year-to-year. And you can't have them say prior to the conference tournament that they're allotting X bids to the league b/c of bid thieves. 

They will NOT accept anything that takes away their Christmas: Selection Sunday. 

So... Cool idea. I'd find it a lot of fun if it happened. It just... won't. 

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #262 on: December 05, 2025, 08:35:35 PM »
Still trying to decide whether I'm going to try to get tickets for Purdue @ USC. Not going to try to get UCLA because it's a Tuesday evening... No way in hell I'm trying to drive to see that! But the USC game is a Saturday afternoon...





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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #263 on: December 05, 2025, 11:48:41 PM »

Take the motorcycle and engage in a little lane-splitting.
The bike I sold in 2004? 

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #264 on: December 05, 2025, 11:50:33 PM »
oh, I agree it will never happen.  But from a fan standpoint it would make the end of the regular season fun, because you're watching those cut lines, and then make every single conference tournament do or die.  And not like now where by Friday the big conference tournaments dont matter

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« Reply #265 on: Today at 12:22:55 PM »
The bike I sold in 2004?
What would you do that for, it's the ultimate cheat code for LA traffic? 

 

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