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medinabuckeye1

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2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« on: March 12, 2025, 09:04:17 PM »
Well I was certainly hoping not to start this thread for another week or two but Iowa put the last nail in the coffin for Ohio State's 24/25 season so I'm moving on.

I do have some observations that I'd like to ask for feedback from other tOSU fans but also and especially non-tOSU fans. Sometimes it is easier to see clearly when you aren't emotionally attached/invested.

First, my perception was that tOSU's big men just flat out sucked. They got these 5* guys from blue-bloods Dook and Kentucky and the upside was sky-high. I honestly wasn't expecting THAT, but not THIS either. I thought they'd at least be decent. 

Second, I know that all teams experience this occasionally but it seemed to me that Ohio State had a much higher than normal proportion of games where they just imploded down the stretch. Against Indiana in Bloomington, for example, they led for something like 35 minutes and by as much as double digits but in the end the number next to IU was bigger. Not sure why and maybe I'm distorting my view because those are so annoying so what are some neutral takes?

Third, and this is a very daming criticism of Coach Diebler but it felt to me that the whole was less than the sum of the parts. The parts were not great, but it felt like the parts were easily a Tournament team and the whole is about to host NIT games.

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2025, 09:46:28 PM »
you could have put this off for a week or three, maybe 5
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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2025, 11:19:58 AM »
you could have put this off for a week or three, maybe 5
Eh, I'm done with 24/25, you?

I wasn't able to watch last night (Peacock) so I was reading some coverage of Ohio State's loss last night and it really hit on two of the three themes that I mentioned earlier.  

First on the big men:
Ohio State's 5* Big men Sean Stewart and Aaron Bradshaw combined for 31 minutes in the Iowa game and grabbed 10 rebounds which is good but not exactly remarkable.  In those 31 minutes they had only one block and contributed basically nothing on offense with a grand combined total of two freaking points on (combined) 1-6 shooting.  

The above was bad already but then I read the 11Warriors (tOSU site) account and noticed in the game notes at the end that "Star Iowa center Owen Freeman, the team's leading scorer and rebounder, was out with an injury on Wednesday."  Wait, what?  You mean to tell me that Iowa's starting star center missed the game?  Ohio State's big men were this bad against a backup?  This is beyond pathetic.  

How can you possibly only shoot 1-6 when you should be dunking and shooting from point blank range?  

Second, imploding down the stretch:
This game was tied at 61 with 7:25 to go.  To that point it had been a mostly back-and-forth affair.  Ohio State didn't score again until 3:26 to go.  If you are keeping track at home that is one second shy of a four minute stretch of zero freaking points.  By the time Ohio State did score again it was to cut a seven point deficit to five and the die was cast.  Ohio State did get within two with 00:45 to go but Iowa answered with a three that put it out of reach and ended Ohio State's season.  

This just feels like deja vu.  Late game collapses against multiple opponents are the cause of Ohio State's third straight NCAA Tournament absence.  
Just a few examples:
  • Ohio State led 49-41 with 9:37 to go in the IU game and lost by 6
  • Ohio State led almost the entire Illinois game and had a 68-63 lead with 7:43 to go but didn't score again until 2:28 at which point the bucket merely cut the deficit to 8.  
Finally, Ohio State shot 22.7% from three in the BTT loss.  For a team that lives-and-dies by the three, that isn't going to get it done.  



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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2025, 11:34:34 AM »
UNL was done three, maybe 5 weeks ago

if they were ever started
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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2025, 01:42:32 PM »
UNL was done three, maybe 5 weeks ago

if they were ever started
They got started for sure.  When Nebraska played Ohio State the first time (Lincoln) both teams appeared to be on the bubble and Nebraska's win pushed them to 16-8/6-7.  At that point they looked like a good bet to make the Tournament.  The loss to Maryland didn't really hurt and the road win over Northwestern on February 16 put Nebraska at 17-9/7-8 sill looking like a solid bet to make the Tournament.  Obviously the five-game losing streak since then kiboshed that but they were in the hunt until late February.  Ohio State lasted a couple more weeks.  

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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2025, 02:07:16 PM »
Eh, I'm done with 24/25, you?

I wasn't able to watch last night (Peacock) so I was reading some coverage of Ohio State's loss last night and it really hit on two of the three themes that I mentioned earlier. 

First on the big men:
Ohio State's 5* Big men Sean Stewart and Aaron Bradshaw combined for 31 minutes in the Iowa game and grabbed 10 rebounds which is good but not exactly remarkable.  In those 31 minutes they had only one block and contributed basically nothing on offense with a grand combined total of two freaking points on (combined) 1-6 shooting. 

The above was bad already but then I read the 11Warriors (tOSU site) account and noticed in the game notes at the end that "Star Iowa center Owen Freeman, the team's leading scorer and rebounder, was out with an injury on Wednesday."  Wait, what?  You mean to tell me that Iowa's starting star center missed the game?  Ohio State's big men were this bad against a backup?  This is beyond pathetic. 

How can you possibly only shoot 1-6 when you should be dunking and shooting from point blank range? 

Second, imploding down the stretch:
This game was tied at 61 with 7:25 to go.  To that point it had been a mostly back-and-forth affair.  Ohio State didn't score again until 3:26 to go.  If you are keeping track at home that is one second shy of a four minute stretch of zero freaking points.  By the time Ohio State did score again it was to cut a seven point deficit to five and the die was cast.  Ohio State did get within two with 00:45 to go but Iowa answered with a three that put it out of reach and ended Ohio State's season. 

This just feels like deja vu.  Late game collapses against multiple opponents are the cause of Ohio State's third straight NCAA Tournament absence. 
Just a few examples:
  • Ohio State led 49-41 with 9:37 to go in the IU game and lost by 6
  • Ohio State led almost the entire Illinois game and had a 68-63 lead with 7:43 to go but didn't score again until 2:28 at which point the bucket merely cut the deficit to 8. 
Finally, Ohio State shot 22.7% from three in the BTT loss.  For a team that lives-and-dies by the three, that isn't going to get it done. 



Freeman has been out for a while.

But yeah, OSU assembled some not impressive bigs.

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2025, 05:03:42 PM »
They got started for sure.  When Nebraska played Ohio State the first time (Lincoln) both teams appeared to be on the bubble and Nebraska's win pushed them to 16-8/6-7.  At that point they looked like a good bet to make the Tournament.  The loss to Maryland didn't really hurt and the road win over Northwestern on February 16 put Nebraska at 17-9/7-8 sill looking like a solid bet to make the Tournament.  Obviously the five-game losing streak since then kiboshed that but they were in the hunt until late February.  Ohio State lasted a couple more weeks. 
well, scraping into the tournament with a crap seed playin as an underdog with little chance for a tourney win isn't much to get excited about
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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2025, 05:47:03 PM »
anyone want to coach the Gopher Basketball program 
you will get 4 years and you dont have to do much just make sure the guys are not being horrible in the community

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2025, 05:58:50 PM »
I wish Freddie Hoiberg would take that position
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2025, 10:17:42 AM »
Freeman has been out for a while.

But yeah, OSU assembled some not impressive bigs.
I could be wrong and I'm interested in neutral takes but as I see it, Ohio State's guards were actually pretty good*.  This catastrophe with the bigs is THE major problem.  I don't really watch enough to be able to have a decent guess as to whether this is a talent problem or a coaching problem but it needs to get fixed ASAP.  

*I don't mean "National Championship good" nor even necessarily "B1G Championship good" but I think they were good enough to contend in the B1G.  The Bigs, however, looked more like they belonged to a mediocre MAC team.  

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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2025, 10:20:11 AM »
well, scraping into the tournament with a crap seed playin as an underdog with little chance for a tourney win isn't much to get excited about
I'm honestly surprised to hear this take from you.  Even as an Ohio State fan I view a Tournament berth as "not nothing" considering Nebraska's history I would have expected it to be a cause of celebration for fans in Lincoln.  

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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2025, 01:01:51 PM »
hoops just isn't a big deal for most Husker fans
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2025, 04:52:23 PM »
Owen Freeman in the portal after Fran got let go.  Averaged 16.7 points and 6.7 rebounds, plus nearly 2 blocks per game.

He will be in high demand, although the defense needs a lot of work

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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2025, 11:05:03 AM »
Well, not happy to be here, but that's life sometimes. UW has an interesting rebuild, but should return some solid pieces. Time to look closer.

The departures
John Tonje
- One-year transfer wonder. Was one of the couple best players in the league. Will be missed.

Max Klesmit - Really nice shooting guard who helped at point and wing. Had a rough shooting year, but was just really valuable to have out there. Good Badger.

Steve Crowl - Four-year starting center. Never quite dominant, but often pretty good, if not the most consistent. Gonna be weird not having him out there.

Carter Gilmore - A former walk-on whose offense had folks calling for less of him, but whose defense always meant he found a role. Figured out some shooting this season and became an almost starter. Also held down 4 spot well.

Kamari McGee - A transfer development story. Was almost useless when he arrived from UWGB. Was a nice change-up ball-handler and spot up shooter last year. Also the only true point in the rotation.

Markus Ilver - Wasn’t in the rotation. Spent four years, seeming like a guy who could maybe find a way to contribute at a thin spot, but he never did.


Rotation (hopeful) returners
John Blackwell - He's a strong scoring wing/shooting guard who can be a point. Ideally he's not having as much of that work this year, but he's a top guy regardless.

Nolan Winter - Versatile center type who platooned last year while playing a bit of power forward. I kind of think he slots in at center and they go from there.

Jack Janicki - Kind of do-everything low-usage wing in the mold of a lot of UW shooting guards of yesteryear. Ideally he's a glue guy backup, but if he starts, wouldn't be a killer.

Xavier Amos - Was brought in to start at the 4, but wasn't consistent and played about 10 minutes per game. Has the skills to be a great starter, inconsistent starter or nice bench option, and he controls a lot of that. Mild transfer candidate because of how this year went.

Non-rotation guys who might have ability

(These guys are in that zone where we don't know if the staff has already decided they will have it, don't have it or might have it. Some could be future starters, some could be told they'll likely never have a role)

Cam Hunter - Last year's point guard transfer. He was supposed to be a functional starting option, but barely got in and looked lost when he did. An injury was a factor there, but I'm kind of skeptical he's a B1G rotation guy.

Daniel Freitag
- Well regarded point guard recruit who was expected to fight for a rotation spot as a freshman. Came in completely not ready, and this year was basically a wash. Still has ability, but on the staff to decide what's there.

Jack Robison - Supposed to be a nice shooting wing. Probably not big enough to be an undersized stretch 4, so probably in the same space as Janicki. He all but redshirted, so we'll have to see if he/they think he could pop this year or next.

Riccardo Greppi - Big beefy backup center type they added late last year. Always kind of a project, so we'll see if they want to keep trying with him.

Chris Hodges
Chris Hodges has been at UW for four years, despite it being pretty clear he wouldn't be a thing after year 2. He stayed on the roster that season because attrition/portal challenges meant they didn't need the spot. Last year, they moved some money around to honor his scholarship. I'd assume his spot is contingent on a bunch of folks leaving.

Incoming freshmen
Zach Kinziger - Seems like a classic UW shooting guard. Will be interesting to see if he's the kind who can play 10-15 MPG off the bat. Would be helpful.

Will Garlock - 7-foot center with range out of the Madison area. Probably will be good at some point. Big key is if he's ready to be an 8-10 MPG player as a true freshman. If so, allows some flexibility elsewhere.

Hayden Jones - A 6-foot-7 international wing, seems like more a power wing, maybe with some shooting (curious if down the line he ends up in that 4 spot UW likes).

Portal wants
Point guard - UW was fine with a combined effort last year, but if you can get a guy who can really fill the role, you'd love to have it.

Big - This is an interesting one. Were I them, I'd want a 4/5 type who can work the perimeter, but also anchor a lineup. Granted, those are hard to find. If they like Winter/Garlock/Greppi at center, then maybe another 4 to round things out with Amos.

Wing - They know they have Janicki and Blackwell (who might help at point). Maybe you hope some combo of Robison, Jones and Kinziger helps there, but considering the last two wing adds were All-Conference guys, definitely worth trying to sell that again.

Wildcard - There were some insider comments they could try for a fourth guy. Maybe another frontcourt guy if you add a true center. Maybe just beef up the perimeter more. Maybe just add talent.

Other questions
Some Badger fans think they should proceed with Blackwell as a de facto point. This is insane to me, but maybe Gard likes it?

Which freshmen project as Year 1 "solid backups"? If Garlock or Kinziger look ready to be a rotation guys, it changes some of how you portal shop.

Do any non-rotation guys step up? If Freitag, Robison or Greppi can be even 8 MPG guys, it changes a lot of dynamics. Hunter at this point feels like mediocre insurance/a flyer.

Any portal surprises? UW fans are lusting after Owen Freeman, as the Badgers were in that recruitment. That seems deeply unlikely to me, but one curveball would change a lot.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2025, 01:18:12 PM by bayareabadger »

 

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