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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #882 on: March 05, 2026, 02:58:15 PM »
Big Ten tournament cliche question:

It feels like different fanbases have different vibes an about how their teams tend to do. To me, Wisconsin tends to be make more runs to the finals than it should, getting whomped by a pretty good team on Sunday after a nice upset, flame out early or get beat by MSU. 

Feels like Purdue fans tend to expect an early exit. MSU an early exit to title, but no trips to Sunday with a loss. Michigan feels like it’s often winning/making surprise runs.

Are those right? And do any other fans have particular expectations?

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #883 on: March 05, 2026, 04:51:14 PM »
Big Ten tournament cliche question:

It feels like different fanbases have different vibes an about how their teams tend to do. To me, Wisconsin tends to be make more runs to the finals than it should, getting whomped by a pretty good team on Sunday after a nice upset, flame out early or get beat by MSU.

Feels like Purdue fans tend to expect an early exit. MSU an early exit to title, but no trips to Sunday with a loss. Michigan feels like it’s often winning/making surprise runs.

Are those right? And do any other fans have particular expectations?
Man, Ohio State's sure have changed.  

For a while there Ohio State was consistently great in the BTT but lately the Buckeyes haven't done squat.  

At this point I'd be thrilled if the Buckeyes made it to the weekend.  Depending on how they, UCLA, and Iowa finish the Buckeyes will either start on Wednesday as the #9 seed, or on Thursday as either the #8 or #7 seed.  As the #8 or #9 they'd be looking at Michigan on Friday (assuming they even made it to Friday) so basically making it to Friday is just about the ceiling.  If the Buckeyes win (vs IU) and the Bruins lose (at USC) then Ohio State would jump up to the #7 seed and there would at least be some chance of making it to the weekend albeit . . . 
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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #884 on: March 05, 2026, 07:02:13 PM »
Big Ten tournament cliche question:

Feels like Purdue fans tend to expect an early exit. 
Yeah, it's one of those things that's just... weird. 

In the past, a lot of Purdue fans would say [when criticizing Keady/Painter] that our woes in the tournament were because we were building teams for Big Ten bully ball, and couldn't adjust to the more guard-centric tournament. But that wouldn't explain why we'd also do poorly in the CONFERENCE tournament where we're playing the teams we see every year...

Others have speculated that Painter just doesn't care about the BTT and wants to be fresher for the NCAAT. I can see that, but... He doesn't strike me as the type that doesn't want to be competitive, EVER. 

So I don't really know why we seem to be such a consistently poor BTT team...

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #885 on: March 05, 2026, 07:25:15 PM »
MSU fans call it the sack race.  You are in it, so youd rather win.  But if you do, its not something you bring up, and if you lose, go enjoy a hot dog and a beer and watch the others.

It does seem like MSU rarely performs to expectations.  In the years they are on the bubble, they seem to always pull a Friday upset to lock it up.  When favored they seem to frequently lose on Saturday.

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #886 on: March 05, 2026, 09:48:00 PM »
Big Ten tournament cliche question:

It feels like different fanbases have different vibes an about how their teams tend to do. And do any other fans have particular expectations?
Husker fans simply hope to make the tourney and then lose the first game miserably
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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #887 on: March 05, 2026, 10:07:25 PM »
The ending of this stupid Rutgers v MSU game reminds me of why I've stopped watching basketball.
To be specific.   A clock review over maybe 3 lost seconds with over 1 minute to go in a marginally 'close' game?   Took forever 

WBC time.  Of course fsn2 for the win.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2026, 10:42:55 PM by MarqHusker »

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #888 on: March 05, 2026, 11:35:45 PM »
Final update heading into the final weekend:


Michigan has clinched the #1 seed and will not play in Chicago until Friday.  

Michigan State has clinched a top-4 seed and will not play in Chicago until Friday.  

Nebraska and Illinois:  If either or both lose, they will finish tied with the PU/UW winner at 14-6.  The loser of that tie would drop to the #5 seed and have to play on Thursday.  

Purdue and Wisconsin:  The winner will tie with either UNL or IL or both IF those teams lose.  However, if those teams win then the winner is the outright #5 seed and that is that.  The loser will drop to 13-7 and tie with UCLA IF UCLA beats USC again.  That would be a tie for 6th/7th (or as the kids say six-seven) but either way they start the BTT on Thursday.  

UCLA:  If the Bruins win they tie the UW/PU loser.  If they lose they tie Ohio State IF Ohio State beats Indiana.  

Ohio State:  The Buckeyes will be the #8 seed unless either:

  • They win and UCLA loses.  In this case they would tie UCLA for 7th/8th and tOSU wins that tie, or
  • They lose and Iowa wins.  In this case they would tie Iowa for 8th/9th and tOSU loses that tie.  

Iowa:  If the Hawkeyes win and tOSU loses, the Hawkeyes get the #8 seed.  If the Hawkeyes lose and IU wins then the Hawkeyes and Hoosiers tie for 9th/10th at 10-10.  

Indiana:  The Hoosiers will either be the #10 seed outright or tied with Iowa for 9th/10th.  


Minnesota/Washington/USC:  These three are tied for 11th/12th/13th and can neither catch any of the teams ahead of them nor be caught by any of the teams behind them so they will be the 11-13 seeds.  Thus they are all starting BTT play on Wednesday.  

Rutgers wins all ties so they will get the last bye (avoiding playing on Tuesday) unless they lose (vs PSU) AND NU wins (at MN).  

Northwestern avoids playing on Tuesday only if they win and RU loses.  

Maryland/Oregon/Penn State:  They will all start BTT play on Tuesday.  

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #889 on: March 06, 2026, 12:38:49 PM »
Getting a little deeper into tiebreakers:

#1 seed is clinched, Michigan.  

#2 seed is MSU if they win.  If MSU loses then they would end up in a tie with either UNL or IL or both if either/both of them win.  MSU beat IL and lost to UNL so they would win a tie with IL and lose a tie with UNL.  In the event of a three way tie (likely) then the H2H2H is:

  • 2-1 Nebraska:  Beat MSU, split with IL.  
  • 1-1 Michigan State:  Beat Illinois, lost to UNL.  
  • 1-2 Illinois:  Split with UNL, lost to MSU.  
Thus, Illinois is eliminated from contention for the #2 seed and would get the #3 seed ONLY if they win and UNL loses.  Also, MSU has clinched a top-3 seed because they would beat IL in any tie.  

#3 seed is most likely MSU but would be Nebraska if MSU beats Michigan.  It could be Illinois but only if IL wins and UNL loses.  

#4 seed Illinois is the most likely.  However there is an unlikely but mathematically possible other consideration.  If Nebraska (vs Iowa) or Illinois (at Maryland) or both were to lose they would fall into a tie with the PU/UW winner.  Here is how that shakes out:

  • Nebraska:  Split with IL, beat UW, lost to PU
  • Illinois:  Split with UNL, beat PU, lost to UW
  • Purdue:  Beat UNL, lost to IL
  • Wisconsin:  Beat IL, lost to UNL
Thus either Nebraska or Illinois *COULD* end up playing on Thursday as either Purdue or Wisconsin *COULD* get the #4 seed but they each need the exact right combination of results to get there.  

The PU/UW loser will either be #6 outright (if UCLA loses) or tied for 6/7 with UCLA (if the Bruins win).  In the event that UCLA wins, here are their tiebreakers with PU/UW:
  • UCLA wins a tie with PU
  • UW wins a tie with UCLA
Thus Wisconsin will be no worse than the #6 seed but Purdue could fall to #7 (if they lose and UCLA wins).  

I already covered Ohio State but to review:
The Buckeyes are in 8th place and will be the #8 seed unless either:
  • They win and UCLA loses.  In this case tOSU wins the 7/8 tie with UCLA and gets the #7 seed, or
  • They lose and Iowa wins.  In this case tOSU loses the 8/9 tie with Iowa and gets the #9 seed.  

Iowa wins either of the ties they could mathematically end up in.  If they win and tOSU loses then they tie tOSU for 8/9, win that tie and get the #8 seed.  If they lose and IU wins then they tie IU for 9/10 but they win that tie and get the #9 seed anyway.  

Indiana has clinched the #10 seed because they could tie Iowa but they would lose that tie and they cannot be caught from behind.  

Minnesota/Washington/USC:  These three are tied for 11/12/13 at 7-12.  They can't catch IU nor can the be caught by the teams behind them so collectively they WILL BE the #11, #12, and #13 seeds.  Here are their H2H's:
  • Washington beat MN once and USC twice so they win any tie.  
  • USC beat MN and lost twice to UDub so they would lose to Udub and beat MN in any tie.  
  • Minnesota lost to both UDub and USC so they lose any tie.  


Rutgers is 5-14 but they beat NU, beat Oregon, and beat Maryland twice so they win any tie.  They will NOT have to play on Tuesday unless they lose (vs PSU) AND NU wins (at MN).  

Northwestern is also 5-14 but can't avoid playing on Tuesday unless they win AND RU loses.  They come in second in a tie involving RU and win any other tie so they can do no worse than the #15 seed.  

Oregon is 4-15 and would lose ties with either RU or NU or both.  They would, however, win a tie over UMD.  Thus they will be the #16 seed unless they lose (vs Udub) and UMD wins (vs IL).  In that case they would be #17.  

Maryland is 4-15 and would lose ties with any/all of RU, NU, and OR so they are stuck with the #17 seed unless they win (vs IL) and OR loses (vs Udub).  Maryland would win a tie with PSU so they can't fall to #18.  

Penn State has clinched the #18 seed because they would lose any tie.  


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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #890 on: March 06, 2026, 12:54:45 PM »
Projected BTT seeds (teams in bold have clinched that seed):

  • 19-1 Michigan
  • 15-5 Nebraska
  • 15-5 Michigan State
  • 15-5 Illinois
  • 14-6 Purdue
  • 13-7 Wisconsin
  • 13-7 UCLA
  • 12-8 Ohio State
  • 10-10 Iowa
  • 9-10 Indiana
  • 8-12 Washington
  • 8-12 Minnesota
  • 7-13 USC
  • 6-14 Rutgers
  • 5-15 Northwestern
  • 4-16 Oregon
  • 4-16 Maryland
  • 3-17 Penn State


Based on the above projections (see tiebreakers in earlier post) the match-ups for the B1G Tournament at the United Center in Chicago, Illinois would be:
Tuesday, March 10 (Peacock):
  • #15 Northwestern vs #18 Penn State, 730
  • #16 Oregon vs #17 Maryland, 5
Wednesday, March 11:
  • #9 Iowa vs OR/UMD, noon Peacock
  • #10 Indiana vs NU/PSU, 630 BTN
  • #11 Washington vs #14 Rutgers, 9
  • #12 Minnesota vs #13 USC, 230
Thursday, March 12 (BTN):
  • #5 Purdue vs MN/USC, 230
  • #6 Wisconsin vs UDub/RU, 9
  • #7 UCLA vs IU/NU/PSU, 630
  • #8 Ohio State vs IA/OR/UMD, noon
Friday, March 13 (BTN):
  • #1 Michigan vs tOSU/IA/OR/UMD, noon
  • #2 Nebraska vs UCLA/IU/NU/PSU, 630
  • #3 Michigan State vs UW/UDub/RU, 9
  • #4 Illinois vs PU/MN/USC, 230

Saturday, March 14 (CBS):
  • M/tOSU/IA/OR/UMD vs IL/PU/MN/USC, noon
  • UNL/UCLA/IU/NU/PSU vs MSU/UW/UDub/RU 230
Sunday, March 15 (CBS):
  • M/tOSU/IA/OR/UMD/IL/PU/MN/USC vs UNL/UCLA/IU/NU/PSU/MSU/UW/UDub/RU, 330


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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #891 on: March 06, 2026, 03:14:46 PM »
#1 seed Belmont gets blown out by #9 Drake by 21 points in the MVC Quarters.

Guessing that's not a bid steal situation, I don't think Belmont has an at large case, the MVC isn't what it once was.

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #892 on: March 06, 2026, 03:52:01 PM »
#1 seed Belmont gets blown out by #9 Drake by 21 points in the MVC Quarters.

Guessing that's not a bid steal situation, I don't think Belmont has an at large case, the MVC isn't what it once was.
I *THINK* you are right but it could be close.  Belmont (before this loss) was #54 in NET and:
  • 0-0 in Q1 - They didn't play a single Q1 game all year long.  
  • 5-2 in Q2
  • 11-3 in Q3
  • 9-0 in Q4
The thing is that Drake is atrocious.  They were 11-19 and #202 in NET which would be a Q4 loss but Drake will probably climb enough to make it Q3.  For reference:
  • Q1:  1-30 H; 1-50 N; 1-75 A
  • Q2:  31-75 H; 51-100 N; 76-135 A
  • Q3:  76-160 H; 101-200 N; 135-240 A
  • Q4:  161-353 H; 201-353 N; 241-353 A
So the loss to #202 Drake is BARELY in Q4 and Drake will undoubtedly move up enough that it will be a Q3 loss leaving Belmont at 22-6 with a NET ranking in the high 50s or the 60s and:
  • ZERO Q1 games
  • 5-2 Q2
  • 11-4 Q3
  • 9-0 Q4
I wouldn't put them in if I were on the committee but who knows . . .

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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #893 on: March 06, 2026, 04:12:07 PM »
Speaking of Bid Thieves and the bubble, Lunardi updated this morning and here is the latest bubble status for B1G teams:

  • Ohio State has the fourth-to-last bye.  The Buckeyes are 19-11/11-8.  
  • Indiana is the second-to-last team in.  The Hoosiers are 18-12/9-10.  
That is it.  

Those two teams play each other in Columbus tomorrow evening.  Indiana will then go to the BTT as the #10 seed where they will play the 15/18 winner on Wednesday.  Ohio State will either be the #8 or the #9 seed.  

I think that Indiana needs at least one more win but possibly two.  The need for the second win is because their BTT opening opponent will be a bad team so they might need a win not because they need a win but because they can't afford a bad loss.  Their second BTT game would be against the #7 seed so a loss there wouldn't be so damaging.  

I *THINK* Ohio State would squeak in without any more wins but it would be a close call and Buckeye fans would be sweating out Selection Sunday.  One more win seals the deal.  

The only other B1G team that I think might have an issue is Iowa.  The Hawkeyes are 20-10/10-9 and 20 wins is usually solidly in but I'm not sure that 20-11/10-10 would do it.  

Current NET and SoS from KenPom:
  • #26 Iowa is 3-7 in Q1; 7-2 in Q2; 4-1 in Q3; and 6-0 in Q4 with KenPom's #64 SoS
  • #32 Ohio State is 2-10 in Q1; 6-1 in Q2; 5-0 in Q3; and 6-0 in Q4 with KenPom's #26 SoS
  • #37 Indiana is 2-10 in Q1; 3-2 in Q2; 6-0 in Q3; and 7-0 in Q4 with KenPom's #42 SoS


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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #894 on: March 06, 2026, 04:17:35 PM »
Lunardi's projections as of this morning:

  • #1 Michigan
  • #2 Michigan State, Illinois
  • #3 Nebraska, Purdue
  • #6 Wisconsin
  • #9 UCLA, Iowa
  • #10 Ohio State
  • #11 Indiana (play in)
Based on the past performance of those seeds in the 40 Tournaments since expansion to 64 (1985-2025 but no 2020) those seeds should achieve:
  • 6.81 teams in the R32
  • 3.81 teams in the S16
  • 2.34 teams in the E8
  • 1.09 teams in the F4
  • 0.56 teams in the NC
  • 0.28 NC's


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Re: 2025-2026 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #895 on: March 06, 2026, 05:00:48 PM »
I *THINK* you are right but it could be close.  Belmont (before this loss) was #54 in NET and:
  • 0-0 in Q1 - They didn't play a single Q1 game all year long. 
  • 5-2 in Q2
  • 11-3 in Q3
  • 9-0 in Q4
The thing is that Drake is atrocious.  They were 11-19 and #202 in NET which would be a Q4 loss but Drake will probably climb enough to make it Q3.  For reference:
  • Q1:  1-30 H; 1-50 N; 1-75 A
  • Q2:  31-75 H; 51-100 N; 76-135 A
  • Q3:  76-160 H; 101-200 N; 135-240 A
  • Q4:  161-353 H; 201-353 N; 241-353 A
So the loss to #202 Drake is BARELY in Q4 and Drake will undoubtedly move up enough that it will be a Q3 loss leaving Belmont at 22-6 with a NET ranking in the high 50s or the 60s and:
  • ZERO Q1 games
  • 5-2 Q2
  • 11-4 Q3
  • 9-0 Q4
I wouldn't put them in if I were on the committee but who knows . . .

Don’t think they’ll have much of a chance. Good mid-major team. Not a lot there, and they’re at best second in line for tough-luck mid-major.

Would be interested to see a breakdown of supply of Q1 games. That becomes a weird thing this time of year.

 

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