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medinabuckeye1

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1274 on: March 24, 2025, 05:15:15 PM »
If I drink and harm no one but myself it is my choice.  Only when others are actually harmed not potentially harmed should there be any consequences.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but, I agree with @ELA :
I can't get that far
Maybe you didn't mean it literally but "Only when others are actually harmed not potentially harmed should there be any consequences." would mean the end of OVI laws.  Ie, if I'm drunk driving but I don't actually hit anyone, I haven't actually harmed anyone so, by your reasoning, no consequences.  

I strongly disagree.  The problem, as I see it, is that other drivers and pedestrians don't get to pick-and-choose who they share the road with.  I'd be perfectly ok with you getting all liquored up and riding an ATV or driving a car around on PRIVATE property where everyone in the area had at least implicitly agreed to assume the risk of being in the vicinity of a drunken @Riffraft on an ATV.  

It is a different situation when you are operating a large and potentially deadly vehicle on a public street.  IMHO, operating a large and potentially deadly vehicle while intoxicated creates a risk great enough that the activity can and should be regulated by the Government.  

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1275 on: March 24, 2025, 05:22:33 PM »
Looks like it's official.  Iowa has hired Drake coach Ben McCollum as it's new head coach.

Sounds like McCollum was holding out to get more NIL money for Iowa,  and was using WV''s interest in McCollum to get the extra NIL money.  It will be interesting to see who Iowa can recruit through the portal.  I assume McCollum will bring his best players along from Drake.

Now for the 2nd year in a row,  Drake has to find a replacement for coach that got the Bulldogs into the NCAA tourney and took their best players with him.
he obviously wants the money to pay those players from Drake - they might not come for dimes instead of dollars
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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1276 on: March 24, 2025, 05:34:30 PM »
others are harmed by gambling - family members such as spouses and children
same with alcohol or drugs whatever

need to be some side rails for folks that can't handle society because of addictions  - they sometimes cause hardships for others and themselves (homelessness)

I'm not a fan of gambling and would vote against it.

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1277 on: March 24, 2025, 06:08:49 PM »
Right now I am wearing a t shirt that says  "it's
 ok that you disagree with me.  I can't force you to be right."


Just so you know while I disagree with dui laws. I think if you kill someone while drunk it should be treated like premeditated murder. If you drink a n d drive you are aware that you are a danger and be charged as such 

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1278 on: March 24, 2025, 07:50:15 PM »
First weekend performance by seed over 40 NCAA Tournaments:


the standout observation, to me anyways is the following:   Since we know (thanks to @medinabuckeye1 prior posts), the 9 has a winning record against that '8' seed, they are actually dreadful versus the #1 seed in second round, compared to the '8' seed on a relative and an absolute basis.

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« Reply #1279 on: March 24, 2025, 08:38:14 PM »
I mean our alcohol restrictions (aside from the outdated Puritan ones about no sales on Sunday) are based on the immediate safety of others.  While gambling addiction obviously harms others, we don't do anything about the alcoholic who does it in his own house, unless he violates some other law.

I really don't see a reason to limit it, even if I don't like it
My favorite is drinking and driving being illegal, but we have drive-through liquor stores.  Brilliant.  
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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1280 on: March 25, 2025, 11:10:23 AM »
the standout observation, to me anyways is the following:  Since we know (thanks to @medinabuckeye1 prior posts), the 9 has a winning record against that '8' seed, they are actually dreadful versus the #1 seed in second round, compared to the '8' seed on a relative and an absolute basis.
I've always found that odd because it is counterintuitive.  You would think the #8 seeds would have a slight winning record against the #9's and then the two would be about the same beyond the first round but neither of those things are true.  Instead the #9 seeds have a slight winning record against the #8's and then the #8 seeds are VASTLY better beyond the first round.  Two other things stand out to me:

#1 seeds are just really, Really, REALLY good:
This one makes sense to me.  My observation over the long-term is that there tend to be about four just extremely good teams each year.  Some years there might only be two or three and in that case some of the #1 seeds aren't so great and other years there might be five or six and in that case some of the #2 seeds are extremely good but roughly, the #1 seeds are extremely good and all the rest, even the #2 seeds have weaknesses.  When your team plays a #2 seed, I think generally that there are some weaknesses and you hope that your team can exploit those.  When your team plays a #1 seed you pretty much need a miracle, basically you are just hoping for them to have an off night.  

#1's aren't just incrementally better than #2's in the same way that #2's are incrementally better than #3's and so on.  It doesn't show up so much in the first round where the #1's are only incrementally better but it shows up deeper into the tournament:  Making the S16:
  • 136 of 160
  • 102 of 160
  • 84 of 160
  • 77 of 160
Note that the gap between #1 and #2 is quite large (34), much larger than the gaps between #2 and #3 (18) and between #3 and #4 (7).  

That continues throughout the Tournament but it hits a peak with Championships:
  • 25 of 39 Championships
  • 5 of 39 Championships
  • 4 of 39 Championships
  • 2 of 39 Championships
  • 0 of 39 Championships
  • 1 of 39 Championships
  • 1 of 39 Championships
  • 1 of 39 Championships
The #1 seeds have almost twice as many Championships as the rest of the field combined (25 vs 14).  

Also, if you look at the winning percentage of each individual seed in each round, they almost all fall off a cliff in the first round in which they can encounter a #1 seed.  

The #13 seeds and below are just really, Really, REALLY bad:
This one also makes sense to me.  The last of the at-large teams come in as #11's or #12's and then you have a few "tallest midgets" that are just about as good as those last few at-large teams but then you run out of decent teams and you just have league tournament champions from leagues that are awful.  

Similar to the 1 v 2 difference, the difference here is more than just incremental.  #13's aren't just incrementally worse than #12's, there is a major dropoff.  It shows up somewhat in the first round where the #13's have 24 fewer upsets than the #12's (as compared to #12's only having five fewer than #11's) but it REALLY shows up deeper in the Tournament.  The #10, #11, and #12 seeds that do pull off an upset in the first round actually have a higher winning percentage in the second round than the #10-12 seeds do in the first round.  In theory they shouldn't because:
  • A #12 that knocks off a #5 generally has to play a #4
  • A #11 that knocks off a #6 generally has to play a #3
  • A #10 that knocks off a #7 generally has to play a #2
Their winning percentage should drop as they face even better opposition, it doesn't:
  • #12's are .356 in the first round, the survivors are .386 in the second round.  
  • #11's are .388 in the first round, the survivors are .435 in the second round.  
  • #10's are .388 in the first round, the survivors are .403 in the second round.  
The few #13 and worse teams that do manage to survive the first round should do BETTER in the second round because their opposition is typically not quite as good:
  • A #13 that knocks off a #4 gets either a #5 or a #12
  • A #14 that knocks off a #3 gets either a #6 or a #11
  • A #15 that knocks off a #2 gets either a #7 or a #10
  • A #16 that knocks off a #1 gets either a #8 or a #9 (in actuality both of them got #9's) 
Their winning percentage should improve as they face less challenging opposition, it doesn't:
  • #16's are .013 in the first round, the two survivors lost in the second round.  
  • #15's are .069 in the first round, the survivors are .364 in the second round (this is the ONE exception but I see it as a lack of data issue since there have only been 11)
  • #14's are .144 in the first round, the survivors are .087 in the second round.  
  • #13's are .206 in the first round, the survivors are .182 in the second round.  


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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1281 on: March 25, 2025, 11:48:03 AM »
Just so you know while I disagree with dui laws. I think if you kill someone while drunk it should be treated like premeditated murder. If you drink a n d drive you are aware that you are a danger and be charged as such
The biggest problem with this, from a criminology standpoint is that it would provide almost zero deterrence. 

One very well known effect of intoxication is an increase in confidence. Ie, drunks almost never *THINK* they've had too much to drive. So you are wrong here, they are not "aware that (they) are a danger". They *THINK* they are fine. 

DUI checkpoints provide some deterrence because you can get busted by one of them even if you don't hit anything. Thus even overconfident drunks fear them.

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1282 on: March 25, 2025, 01:09:28 PM »
Doesn't have anything to do with basketball, but alcohol diminishes your judgment. One of the big problems with it is that the drunker you are, the less judgment you have. As a result, when you are "buzzed" (which generally is legally a DUI), you are likely to realize it and recognize that you probably shouldn't be driving. When you are trashed, your judgment is gone, and are more likely to think you'll be fine driving. That's one of the reasons that on a night you know you will be drinking, you really should set your transportation plan up in advance.

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1284 on: March 25, 2025, 01:53:51 PM »

https://twitter.com/NCAABuzzerBters/status/1904514856478445808
You tossed out a reference a while back, saying that being a fan of Michigan this year is like saying your favorite band is the Traveling Wilbury's. It is that way across the board in CBB now.


https://youtu.be/UMVjToYOjbM?si=kS3vXub7JG15acVc

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1285 on: March 25, 2025, 02:24:50 PM »
You tossed out a reference a while back, saying that being a fan of Michigan this year is like saying your favorite band is the Traveling Wilbury's. It is that way across the board in CBB now.
Is it really?



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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1286 on: March 25, 2025, 10:46:37 PM »
Is it really?
Purdue is the exception with five guys that started there.  Then there are Dook and MSU with four and a few with three.  A whole bunch of S16 teams have five starters that started their college careers at five different schools.  It is crazy.  

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1287 on: March 25, 2025, 11:04:37 PM »
College football is right behind them.  It's not the same merely due to so many more positions.  This all sucks.
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