2023 NFL Thread

[847badgerfan]

Sean Payton did Russ no favors. I think he still has at. We'll find out with that OL and RB they have.

[Mdot21]

NFL draft silly season has begun. JJ being talked about as the #2 pick potentially to the Redskins or #3 to New England. Count me in as someone that doesn't get that hype.

Just because JJ didn't put up huge stats and wasn't slinging it 35 times a game doesn't mean he can't do that. Michigan didn't ask him to do that- that wasn't how they play football- that's not their offensive system- and they flat out didn't have the receivers for that anyway. I think Roman Wilson was seriously underrated and is a terrific WR, but he's the only guy on that roster that was a real dude at WR- that's it. 

Sounds like teams are falling in love with JJ in the interviews and in his workouts. Knew they would. He's a stand up kid and leader with great character by all accounts, and he has high level talent for the position. JJ is only 20 or 21- he didn't redshirt, played as an 18 year old true frosh and only spent 3 years in college and started only 2- so there's a lot of room for him to grow- he's not nearly a finished product- he's legit around 6'3, 210ish- he's an exceptional athlete for the position and he has a very live arm- JJ clocked a 61 MPH fast ball at the combine, which was second to all QB's in attendance behind only Joe Milton who has a freaking howitzer for an arm.

Having said that- to me he's a mid to late 1st rd pick that you sit for a year and develop and you might have a flat out stud on your hand in a year or so. It'll only end in disaster for him if he's taken really high on a sh*t team. He's not a refined product- he takes too many stupid chances- that's got to get coached out of him- his footwork is sloppy and leads to him missing on balls slightly here and there- that's got to get cleaned up- and he's a little slow/late reading through his progressions- he's got to get faster at that- but every damn QB does going from college to NFL so that's probably just nitpicking. 

The raw material and tools are there though for him to be a stud- but he ain't going to wind up being that if he gets picked #2 to the Redskins or #3 to New England and has to start right away on a crap team.

[GopherRock]

Sean Payton did Russ no favors. I think he still has at. We'll find out with that OL and RB they have.

Russ was cooked when he was in Seattle. The Seahawks GM needed to be GMOTY for taking the Broncos to the cleaners in that trade. 

[Mdot21]

Russ was cooked when he was in Seattle. The Seahawks GM needed to be GMOTY for taking the Broncos to the cleaners in that trade.

agree 100%, he was cooked in Seattle. Father times comes for every great player, nothing to be ashamed of. Seattle GM absolutely fleeced Broncos and Elway on that trade.

[847badgerfan]

We'll see. I think he's got a good shot in Pittsburgh. 

If not, well, they have Fields, who they got from the Bears in a true fleece job.

[Mdot21]

We'll see. I think he's got a good shot in Pittsburgh.

If not, well, they have Fields, who they got from the Bears in a true fleece job.

pretty obvious that Da Bears are going all in on taking Caleb Williams #1 overall. They had no choice but to trade Fields at that point, and I think other NFL teams knew that which is why the trade market wasn't that good for him.

[Mdot21]

honestly if I'm the Bears GM I think I would take Marvin Harrison Jr at #1 and call it a day. He's the best player in the draft, a surefire All-Pro WR right out of the gate.

[MrNubbz]

Or trade down and get more pix,haven't followed Da Bears but I'm guessin' they need help on the O-Line even after signing Curhan. With 2 no. 1s in the first 9 picks they can't have draft gaffe's like Jimmy Hasbeen. He has pissed away numerous fine draft positions with pathetic picks that would make Bellichick blush

[Mdot21]

Or trade down and get more pix,haven't followed Da Bears but I'm guessin' they need help on the O-Line even after signing Curhan. With 2 no. 1s in the first 9 picks they can't have draft gaffe's like Jimmy Hasbeen. He has pissed away numerous fine draft positions with pathetic picks that would make Bellichick blush

honestly that would be the play, trade down from #1 overall and try to get another 1st rd pick. having 3 first round picks in one draft can change life for a franchise....if you nail those picks. It's the Bears though so even if they did pull that off and had 3 first round picks I'd expect them to draft 3 busts.

[ELA]

agree 100%, he was cooked in Seattle. Father times comes for every great player, nothing to be ashamed of. Seattle GM absolutely fleeced Broncos and Elway on that trade.

Seattle also wasted a good chunk of his career trying to recreate the formula that won them a title.  Winning with a run game and defense is tough.  Winning with a run game and defense, once youve paid your QB starting QB money is both impossible and stupid.  They finally got him Metcalf at the end

[ELA]

honestly if I'm the Bears GM I think I would take Marvin Harrison Jr at #1 and call it a day. He's the best player in the draft, a surefire All-Pro WR right out of the gate.

Not once you gave away your QB

[847badgerfan]

honestly if I'm the Bears GM I think I would take Marvin Harrison Jr at #1 and call it a day. He's the best player in the draft, a surefire All-Pro WR right out of the gate.

That was my preference, until they gave away Fields for a tube of toothpaste.

That, and build an offensive line. Hard to be a great QB when you have no run game and are always running for your life.

Ever hear of Brock for Broglio?

[Mdot21]

That was my preference, until they gave away Fields for a tube of toothpaste.

That, and build an offensive line. Hard to be a great QB when you have no run game and are always running for your life.

Ever hear of Brock for Broglio?

never heard of that.

Fields trade will likely turn into a 4th rd pick for Bears because my gut says Russ is cooked and Fields will hit the playing time clause which bumps that pick up to a 4th rd. Still not a good look. Bears should've demanded a 4th rd pick at the very worst for Fields with a playing time clause that bumps it to 2nd rd. 

Before all this JJ McCarthy hype went nutty and stupid, I'd have said just trade back get extra picks and try to take JJ, but it sounds like JJ is very likely going to be a top 5 pick now- which is nuts to me. 

[ELA]

Everyone was saying a 2nd and a 4th for Fields.  Sam Darnold brought back a 2nd, 4th and 6th in a similar spot 2 years ago, and had proven WAY less