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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #56 on: March 07, 2023, 07:03:08 PM »
Pick a Heisman-winner on that one.
I probably don't follow what guys do in the NFL enough to answer that well.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #57 on: March 08, 2023, 06:37:20 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 07, 2023, 08:52:59 AM
How in your opinion is the best college player ever to be a near bust in the NFL (aside from injury)?

Probably some QB I'm thinking.
I guess I’m interested in the wording of the question.  What’s a “near bust?”  Are you asking which college players almost weren’t good NFL players but then were?
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2023, 08:40:16 AM »
Quote from: Kris60 on March 08, 2023, 06:37:20 AM
I guess I’m interested in the wording of the question.  What’s a “near bust?”  Are you asking which college players almost weren’t good NFL players but then were?
No, I'm wondering who was the best CFB player who really didn't play well in the NFL (near bust, or bust).  Manziel comes to mind as an example, but he perhaps wasn't the "best CFB player" in that category.  That LSU QB comes to mind also, and some Hawaii QB?
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2023, 08:47:21 AM »
Guys like Tony Mandarich and Andre Ware?  Or not necessarily high draft picks? 

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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2023, 09:11:22 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 08, 2023, 08:47:21 AM
Guys like Tony Mandarich and Andre Ware?  Or not necessarily high draft picks?
Yes.  Could even include Herschel.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #61 on: March 08, 2023, 09:18:14 AM »
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #62 on: March 08, 2023, 01:31:53 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 08, 2023, 08:40:16 AM
No, I'm wondering who was the best CFB player who really didn't play well in the NFL (near bust, or bust).  Manziel comes to mind as an example, but he perhaps wasn't the "best CFB player" in that category.  That LSU QB comes to mind also, and some Hawaii QB?
Tebow? he was all that - Big Contibutor on teams that won 2 NCs. This back when URBZ was focused and wanted it. Vince Young maybe - prolly could have used another season in the minors
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #63 on: March 08, 2023, 02:03:10 PM »
VY could have used a position switch to TE.

Of course that didn't work for Tebow 
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #64 on: March 08, 2023, 02:20:10 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 08, 2023, 08:47:21 AM
Guys like Tony Mandarich and Andre Ware?  Or not necessarily high draft picks?


Heath Shuler. Ryan Leaf. Tim Couch. Akili Smith. Jamarcus Russell.

Vince Young doesn't belong with these guys. He's also the best college football player I've ever seen.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #65 on: March 08, 2023, 05:41:13 PM »
If VY was the best college player you ever saw and his NFL career was like 5 years, with more INTs than TDs, then isn't that exactly what he's asking for here?
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #66 on: March 08, 2023, 08:17:38 PM »
yep

unless there's a top 10 all-time college player that was even worse in the NFL
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #67 on: March 08, 2023, 08:18:39 PM »
you know, guys like Tommie Frazier, Eric Crouch, Charlie Ward that didn't play a down in the league
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #68 on: March 09, 2023, 06:30:29 AM »
I think we have a reasonable collection of names, I'm sure there are more "busts" of course.  And we all know of "7th rounders" who excelled.  I idly wonder how good a job "they" are doing in the draft and what is being missed.  I think a thing harder to evaluate is "character", someone who will continue to strive to improve and work hard even when being paid $30 million plus.  Intellect probably matters a good bit for many positions as well.

Brian Jordan told me the hardest hit he ever experienced in the NFL was by Jerry Rice, he said that guy played flat out every play.  And he had some talent as well.  Anyway, I'm a bit interested in how these "NFL scouts" etc. get fooled expensively and how they might do better, maybe it's not possible.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #69 on: March 09, 2023, 07:22:14 AM »
They don't get fooled they either aren't any good or just don't use common sense. Like Russel for instance there were guys before him that pulled the same thing. Million dollar arm and a .10 cent head,at that time guys I'd watch the draft with didn't think he was a can't miss. He had one big spalsh season surrounded buy a terrific team it was obvious he had a cannon but it didn't appear to be guided. Like Leaf or Mallet there's a whole pile of these guys
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