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Topic: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread

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ELA

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2023 Michigan State Season Thread
« on: January 25, 2023, 04:38:05 PM »
MSU doubles down on guys with NFL training experience as their assistant coaches.  After hiring Brandon Jordan last year (who trained JJ Watt), they now hired Diron Reynolds, who previously coached DL at Stanford, but has trained linemen in between.

I think this is great in the short term, and maybe that's the plan.  We already landed one high 4* DL over Alabama and Oklahoma due to Jordan, and it seems like this will lock down a 5* DL, who would be the 2nd highest rated recruit in the 247 era.  But if these guys are just recruiting tools, that runs out, once they aren't training NFL players.  Maybe that is Tucker's philosophy.  Just burn through position coaches, based on acquiring talent, rather than developing it.  Feels like a different method to get to the same end result.  Either scout underrated 3* talent and develop the hell out of them, like Dantonio; or bring in 4/5* talent, and hope in pans out.  I guess we've seen Option A, and it's good enough to win Big Ten titles, but get blown out by well coached 4/5* talent.  So whatever, I guess this is Option B.  See if poorly coached 4/5* talent can do better
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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2023, 10:29:27 AM »
Interesting thought.

I think there's got to be a balance somewhere.  Maybe comparing position coaches to coordinators is apples and oranges, but back when Crowton was our OC the major knock on the teams was that they looked exactly like what they were...a bunch of 4 and 5 star physically gifted kids who weren't developed well.  They were athletic, but never made into great football players, if that makes sense.  It was kind of the opposite of what you're talking about MSU having been through...talent was good enough to win many of their games, but get blown out by well-coached 4/5* talent.  Or in some cases, lose or at least struggle mightily with well-coached 3* talent. 

I suspect Tucker knows both sides of this.  Not being familiar with those guys I have to ask, when you say "See if poorly coached 4/5* talent can be do better," what's the reason for believing they'll be poorly coached?  Do these guys have a bad track record, or are they just unproven?  If unproven, that's where you have to trust Tucker, I reckon.  

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2023, 06:41:20 AM »
Is there a back story behind Marco Coleman leaving for the same position at GT?
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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2023, 09:24:26 AM »
His alma mater

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2023, 09:28:29 AM »
I get that, but it's still a step down.
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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2023, 10:14:56 PM »
OSU just hired an MSU GA away, who was apparently a very good recruiter, to be an assistant DB coach.

Seems like *maybe* if he was good enough for OSU to find a coaching role for him, MSU *maybe* could have found one?  But no, I'm sure MSU just has way more coaching options right now, and OSU can just have our scraps.  :96:

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2023, 07:09:51 PM »
MSU doubles down on guys with NFL training experience as their assistant coaches.  After hiring Brandon Jordan last year (who trained JJ Watt),
And Jordan is off to the NFL.  Figured he wasn't going to be an MSU "pass rush specialist" for long, but thought maybe longer than 1 year.  MSU was the presumed favorite for #1 DL David Stone, and this likely ends that.  Hell, Michigan's Mike Morris chose to train with Jordan for the draft this year.

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2023, 08:19:13 AM »
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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2023, 02:50:04 PM »
Apparently they are eliminating the position, because the position coaches felt like he had too much say in initial evaluations of who got offers.  He was still at practice as a fan afterwards

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2023, 03:03:25 PM »
He wanted that GM title in Madison and PC wouldn't have it. Of course, there is now one in Madison.

My impression is that he was chasing STARZ at both places, rather than doing strong eval.
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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2023, 12:24:41 PM »
Payton Thorne in the transfer portal

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2023, 12:29:47 PM »
Payton Thorne in the transfer portal
That seems surprising 
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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2023, 12:32:27 PM »
Lol, and possibly Keon Coleman.  WR1

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2023, 12:33:55 PM »
Lol, and possibly Keon Coleman.  WR1
What is going on there?
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