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Topic: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2023, 11:19:12 AM »
Oh shoot, sorry.  I saw the word "Michigan" in the thread title and thought this was the Michigan thread.

Y'all have too many threads on this forum.
Just like I do for my wife, maybe we should distinguish these threads for you. 

MSU is "green Michigan".

UM is "Harbaugh Michigan". 

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2023, 10:42:27 PM »
Just like I do for my wife, maybe we should distinguish these threads for you.

MSU is "green Michigan".

UM is "Harbaugh Michigan".

I know Pittsburgh is a pro sports town, but you wouldn't believe how often my wife's die hard Pittsburgh sports relatives comment to me as though Michigan and Michigan State are the same team

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2023, 10:45:03 PM »
get them back with references to pitt and PSU
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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #45 on: September 01, 2023, 10:51:30 PM »
I mentioned it in the Week 1 thread, but CMU caveat aside, I was very happy with the halftime adjustments.  That was my biggest gripe with this staff each of the past two years.  Better teams will have a counter to your counter punch, but that was a better defensive counter punch than I've seen from this staff.

The defensive seven played fine.  They were supposed to be the strength, and even though apparently CMU has arguably the best offensive line in the MAC, if they are the strength of this team, they've got some work to do. I think the offensive line looked good, and for how young the secondary is, they actually looked better than last year. I think we are more than set at RB and WR.  TE continues to be underwhelming.  Maliq Carr got all of the flowers that he had taken the step from good to great.  Instead it looks like he put on a bunch of bad weight, and still has inconsistent hands.

QB it's in own thing.  I was fine with Thorne leaving.  He was good 2 years ago, he was subpar last year.  If he had stayed he probably would have been the starter.  He demanded a guarantee, and when he didn't get it, he took the guarantee from Hugh Freeze.  I didn't think Thorne played well enough to be guaranteed the job, and if another program was desperate enough to give it to him, good for them.  But man, Kim got better but neither one looked good enough for me to understand why it remained an open competition.  Now there are also rumors that Auburn's promise came with an NIL promise. I can't speak to that.

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #46 on: September 10, 2023, 02:24:32 PM »
Is an accusation of sexual harassment enough to get Tucker fired?  Seems like Mel could fight this if its only the accuser and a sexual harassment specialist’s determination that it likely happened.  But then again, given MSU’s history, they have no tolerance of even a hint of such harassment.  And then there’s Mel’s big $95M contract.
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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2023, 02:39:36 PM »
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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #48 on: September 10, 2023, 02:40:53 PM »
And then there’s Mel’s big $95M contract.

Mel Tucker’s is the worst coaching contract going in college sports right now.

Not sure what Michigan State (among others) saw in Tucker, off a 5-7 season at Colorado, to begin with. But what puts Michigan State’s situation with Mel Tucker over the top is the horrendous and thoughtless contract.

$95M. 10 YEARS. ALL GUARANTEED. It should lead to the firing of the AD.

Alan Haller is a feel-good hometown story for MSU, and we all want to root for someone like Haller but I’m guessing he was just too new to the job to keep from otherwise getting duped by an imposter.

Mel Tucker is an imposter.

Look at it this way - Kenny Walker is the biggest reason Michigan State went 11-2, finished Top 10, and rushed sink their short term fate with Mel Tucker in 2021.

Take out Michigan State’s Kenny Walker season and Mel Tucker over the remaining three seasons is 5-7, 2-5, and 5-7.

Tucker is a 14-19 coach that is somehow on contract for $95M.

Michigan State’s reality is worse than Tucker being another bad hire. 

$95M for a middling employee is ORGANIZED RACKETEERING committed under the banner of a public institution.

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #49 on: September 10, 2023, 03:02:59 PM »
yeah that contract is easily the worst thing in college football if not all of sports history. it's literally insane.

at least with those massive deals for Jimbo or Brian Kelly there was something to point to in past history. Jimbo has a national title on his belt, made the CFP as well, and signed #1 recruiting classes. Kelly was a conquerer on the small ball level, had success at G5 at Cinci, and he had taken ND to a BCS national title and two CFPs and signed plenty of top 10 recruiting classes.

Mel? Nothing. Never signed a top 10 class. Never been to a playoff or won a title. 5-7 at his only previous HC job, 2-5 first year at MSU, and then 11-2 season on the back of KWIII. There just wasn't much to go on, and they gave him a $95 million guaranteed contract like there was. It was a colossal mistake. Obviously.

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #50 on: September 10, 2023, 03:07:52 PM »
Mel Tucker’s is the worst coaching contract going in college sports right now.

Not sure what Michigan State (among others) saw in Tucker, off a 5-7 season at Colorado, to begin with. But what puts Michigan State’s situation with Mel Tucker over the top is the horrendous and thoughtless contract.  I said it elsewhere, that MD basically didn't recruit his last 3 classes.  He just poached MAC kids.  Instead of finding diamonds in the rough, he was just poaching guys who had already committed, to a staff that was mostly his 65 year old friends, with nowhere else to turn.  Mel's first class was non-existent.  He came in in February 2020, way after most coaches are brought in, and like 3 weeks before a global pandemic  shut down recruiting.  He never met a 2021 commit in person prior to signing day.  The thought of having to do that again 2 years later was a tough pill to swallow.  And he had a hard offer from LSU that MSU had to beat to keep him

$95M. 10 YEARS. ALL GUARANTEED. It should lead to the firing of the AD. MSU isn't paying a good chunk of it.  Two mega donors are.  

Alan Haller is a feel-good hometown story for MSU, and we all want to root for someone like Haller but I’m guessing he was just too new to the job to keep from otherwise getting duped by an imposter.  Haller was willing to wait it out until LSU came in with their bonkers offer, and two donors were willing to foot half the bill.  I still like Haller, and I get why you can't fire him, but my one criticism in all of this, is why not suspend him with pay?

Mel Tucker is an imposter. Yes

Look at it this way - Kenny Walker is the biggest reason Michigan State went 11-2, finished Top 10, and rushed sink their short term fate with Mel Tucker in 2021.  Yes, and now Auburn is learning that too

Take out Michigan State’s Kenny Walker season and Mel Tucker over the remaining three seasons is 5-7, 2-5, and 5-7.  That's just a fact

Tucker is a 14-19 coach that is somehow on contract for $95M.  Because LSU gave him leverage, and MSU was able to convince some big money to help out

Michigan State’s reality is worse than Tucker being another bad hire.  Yes.  Also no.  So who knows.  The roster turnover is going to be heavy, due to the portal.  But the portal also means you can bring in new guys.  And, assuming they are in the clear with a for cause, we now know the deal in the NIL era.  Even if Tucker had that season in 2022, and that's when LSU came calling, any smart school would tell the donors to hold off, let him walk, and save those checks for the players

$95M for a middling employee is ORGANIZED RACKETEERING committed under the banner of a public institution.

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #51 on: September 10, 2023, 03:24:37 PM »
Well, I understood why MSU couldn't fire him yet, but my one issue was why they hadn't suspended him with pay.  This might answer some of that, because she filed it through Title IX, and not just a civil lawsuit.


https://twitter.com/DavidHarns/status/1700947178498240523?s=20

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #53 on: September 10, 2023, 03:49:16 PM »
Is an accusation of sexual harassment enough to get Tucker fired?  Seems like Mel could fight this if its only the accuser and a sexual harassment specialist’s determination that it likely happened.  But then again, given MSU’s history, they have no tolerance of even a hint of such harassment.  And then there’s Mel’s big $95M contract.
He admitted something happened. And doing that with someone attached to your job will usually get you in hot water, even in the best light. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #54 on: September 10, 2023, 04:16:51 PM »
https://x.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1700959261755375620?s=01

Mel Tucker fired as Michigan State’s coach, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ. Secondary coach Harlon Barnett will be MSU’s interim coach w/former coach Mark Dantonio expected to assist in an undefined role. MSU investigating allegations Tucker sexually harassed activist/rape survivor Brenda Tracy, USA Today reported. School has called a 5 p.m. news conference

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Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #55 on: September 10, 2023, 04:27:16 PM »
they should rename the tom izzo football building the mark dantonio football building

 

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