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Topic: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness

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bayareabadger

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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #224 on: January 01, 2024, 03:35:19 PM »
Welp, dud of an end for UW. Annoying for a spry game.
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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #225 on: January 01, 2024, 03:38:51 PM »


I’m not worried about the quarterback. With another spring and fall practice and getting the reps either Devon Brown or Lincoln Keenholts will step up. They are both extremely talented. 

just look at JJ mCCarthy‘s progression. He was a turnover machine who couldn’t throw for shit when he first started playing.

Not sure I get this take at all. Brown was used in rushing situations almost as much as passing and neither were that impressive outside of against Youngstown state. Keinholz has played almost none outside of the bowl game and he looked completely overwhelmed and the explanation is he wasn’t prepared, which I’m sure there’s some truth but you don’t go from that level to great qb in 8 months.

JJ on the other hand looked incredibly polished his freshman year outside of overthrowing some balls, but his defensive reads looked great and his only struggle was against Georgia in the CFP. When he entered games it was often questioned why he wasn’t getting more reps because he had stardom written all over him. 

I didn’t get that feeling with either Brown or Keinholz. Keinholz could certainly be a rep thing, but if I were a buckeye fan, I’m not sure I’d be confident in 2024 if those were my options. I’d want to see transfer portal success, especially with Marvin and Egbuka gone. Sure there’s a Jeremiah Smith and everyone seems to be big on Tate, but they’ve proven nothing and losing the 1-2 pick in the draft seems similar to going from Stroud to McCord. Replacing elite talent, even with high end recruits on the depth chart isn’t easy an qb looks like a giant hole in Columbus right now

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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #226 on: January 01, 2024, 04:08:55 PM »
BIG getting played like a cheap violin
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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #227 on: January 01, 2024, 04:18:37 PM »
Seems like the interim AD at Iowa made the correct decision 
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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #228 on: January 01, 2024, 04:27:01 PM »
How is that not the same thing

Texas' QB is still looking to play college football and those guys will hit the portal when they can.  I'm sure he'd like to be on a playoff team, but if he knows he's leaving he has to go.  Whereas players who are headed to the NFL have nothing to look out for but their health, which they will ignore if their team is in the playoffs and they have a chance to go out as NCs.

Think of it like this.  Malik the QB xfer'd because he needed to.  For this example, assume Worthy is draft eligible and is leaving (I don't know if that's the case or not).  If Texas weren't in the playoffs, he might protect his health and sit out.  Since Texas is in the playoffs, he'll play for the chance to win an NC.  

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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #229 on: January 01, 2024, 04:28:22 PM »
Not sure I get this take at all. Brown was used in rushing situations almost as much as passing and neither were that impressive outside of against Youngstown state.

JJ on the other hand looked incredibly polished his freshman year outside of overthrowing some balls, but his defensive reads looked great and his only struggle was against Georgia in the CFP.
Bullshit both JJ and and Devin had 57% passing their 1st seasions.What you saw Friday was a QB with a bad leg behind a bad line that mailed it in.To date he hasn't thrown 2 pick 6s in one game

This was before he injured his leg with time to throw


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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #230 on: January 01, 2024, 04:32:32 PM »
Seems like the interim AD at Iowa made the correct decision
The only thing she did wrong is let Brian Ferentz finish out the season.

Not only does Iowa get shut out the last 2 games of the season, Turnovers by Iowa QB Deacon Hill lead to about 30% of  the points that Iowa gives up to Michigan and Tennessee.

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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #231 on: January 01, 2024, 04:35:27 PM »
I’ve never seen an LSU defense this ineffective/hopeless since maybe when I started watching during the Gary DiNardo years. And that was more of a roster issue that hasn’t been anything short of loaded with defensive studs since DiNardo was fired 24 or 25 seasons ago.

Wisconsin’s 73rd ranked (total) offense is nearing 500 yds of offense against LSU’s 101st ranked total defense. Wisconsin’s 88th ranked passing offense has 330 yds into the 4th Q.

Recruiting hasn’t dropped off for LSU. And  players sitting out isn’t an excuse because this has been an awful LSU defense all season. And yes, a lot of defensive coaches have quit/left under Brian Kelly, but isn’t he a defense guy? This is on Coach Kelly.


That's incorrect.  Orgeron left a heckuva depleted roster.  So many kids from his final couple of classes left the team that 247 or On3 or whoever's rankings are irrelevant.  The ones we got absolutely are not like the kids we had the last couple of decades.  The front 7 does have some talent and should be significantly better, but there are not studs on the line like we used to churn out.  The secondary is just untalented and there's nothing else to do about it.  Plus they're poorly coached.  But hardly any of these guys except LB #4 and LB #40 would play on, say, LSU circa 2003 - 2019.  They just physically aren't that caliber.  But again, they're also all poorly coached.  Thus, awful.  

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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #232 on: January 01, 2024, 04:37:04 PM »
Wow.  Where was this Tanner Mordecai  all season?    Kid is ballin. 

Our defense has that effect on QB's.  

And receivers.

And backs, tight ends, O-linemen.....

We are the sure-fire cure for whatever ails an offense.  Iowa should've been matched up with us, they'd have had a season high, and that's not hyperbole or me being funny.  

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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #233 on: January 01, 2024, 04:44:23 PM »
I really think Fickell should've gone for it there at the end.  In most cases I'd agree with his gut and the analytics, plus they did pin LSU at the 2.  Still, against the LSU defense I think Wisconsin could've called another curl route, which we were completely incapable of defending all day, converted, and gone on to drive the nail in our coffin.  When the defense you're playing is that bad, make them pay.  Instead he gambled by putting our unit on the field that at least had a shot to succeed. 

Hindsight is 20/20, but I didn't like the call there.  Even with all Wisconsin's players missing, they were far too much for our defense and I think they could've gotten the final couple of yards on 4th down.  

Oh well, it was meaningless anyway.  I don't feel like I learned anything useful about either team I didn't already know, except that Nussmeier may be a decent QB next year.  Wisconsin had players missing, and our defense and special teams are horrible.  Not news.  I guess I learned that Mordecai can ball when the competition doesn't have a P5-caliber defense.  

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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #234 on: January 01, 2024, 04:48:33 PM »
The only thing she did wrong is let Brian Ferentz finish out the season.
Yes, my brother and I were discussing iowa's chances of getting a better offensive coordinator and then getting offensive players in the early signing period and from the portal if Brian steps down a few weeks ago 
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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #235 on: January 01, 2024, 05:01:48 PM »
Roll Tide!

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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #236 on: January 01, 2024, 05:09:22 PM »
This is a cool, big-time matchup independent of it being a playoff game.

UM vs Alabama is yuge.

And I attended their first meeting when I was a kid (Hall of Fame (Outback) Bowl).  Both RBs ra wild (Jamie Morrris and Bobby Humphrey).
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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #237 on: January 01, 2024, 05:14:45 PM »
McCarthy. Wtf?

Might get bailed out.

 

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