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Topic: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread

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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2023, 06:44:11 PM »
Juwan Howard has survived a couple of scandals, but I'm not sure he can survive this


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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2023, 11:54:53 AM »
No real movement yet from MSU.

Joey Hauser could technically play a 6th year, but it seems like he's done.

The questions are whether Walker comes back for a 5th year, and who transfers out.  There are two options, but it seems like true freshman PG Tre Holloman will return.  I love his length and defensive ability, but I don't see a path for him as an offensive contributor.  But it seems like he's returning.

My guess is Pierre Brooks is done.  Early, when we had injuries, he was a shooting contributor, but he is as bad a defender as I've seen under Izzo, and his shooting fell off a cliff.  There were 3 pretty similarly rated players in the in state 2019 class.  I liked Jaden Akins the best, and he has proved to be the best defender by a mile.  We'll see if he can take the next step offensively.  I was glad not pursuing Bufkin, but he has developed into a better player than I assumed, and is likely now off to the NBA.  But I put Brooks #2, and he won Mr. Basketball in the state.  He scored 15+ points in 3 of MSUs first 7 games, and was getting 30+ minutes.  But he hasn't made a basket since 2/4, and didn't play a minute in the tournament.  He got 4 minutes in the BTT, but those were his first meaningful minutes since the February 7 win over Maryland.  I'm guessing he's done.  He could be a high volume scorer in the MAC
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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2023, 01:55:30 PM »

https://twitter.com/zach_edey/status/1640751037853171718?s=20

Dakich is totally off the reservation at this point, I love that Zach responded 4 minutes after his tweet.

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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2023, 01:58:09 PM »
Edey would be in for a big NIL payday if he hit the portal.
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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2023, 03:17:57 PM »
Dakich is totally off the reservation at this point, I love that Zach responded 4 minutes after his tweet.
He has been for a decade

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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2023, 03:47:59 PM »
Dakich is totally off the reservation at this point, I love that Zach responded 4 minutes after his tweet.
He was on notice because there was a fake tweet purporting to be from an ESPN writer that said the same thing.

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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2023, 11:55:28 AM »
I am curious for a few of your opinions that are non Purdue fans on what you think Paint should do with his philosophy, stay the course or make tweaks or significant change how the team looks.  I have my opinion, but I will share that later as to not bias your feedback or thoughts, not that any of you would change an opinion because of what I say!

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« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2023, 12:18:22 PM »
I am curious for a few of your opinions that are non Purdue fans on what you think Paint should do with his philosophy, stay the course or make tweaks or significant change how the team looks.  I have my opinion, but I will share that later as to not bias your feedback or thoughts, not that any of you would change an opinion because of what I say!
I read an article on a Purdue site that I thought hit the nail on the head.

Purdue BB does their thing and they do it REALLY well as evidenced by Painter's enviable regular season success.

The problem is that they don't seem to have much of a "plan B" for a game where someone has an off night or the opposition manages to take away their usual game plan.

That FDU upset was insane. Honestly, Purdue's second string should have been able to handle FDU with ease.

If you look at the stats, Edey got his:
  • 7-11
  • 21 points
  • 15 rebounds
The rest of the team would have needed to improve to get to awful:
  • 12-42 (28.5%)
  • 37 points
  • 5-26 behind the line (19.2%)
Worse, Purdue's defense got torched by (checks notes) FDU. The Knights shot over 30% from three, almost 40% overall, and took nine more shots than the Boilers despite getting handily outrebounded (42-33).

Tying this back to Purdue's longstanding postseason struggles, the Tournament forces you to do multiple things well because it takes six wins to win it. No matter what your "thing" is, you are probably going to run into somebody who figures out how to take it away and when you do, you need a viable "Plan B".

Maybe it really is as simple as that. Izzo is clearly the B1G's best tournament coach and his MSU teams always seen to have a few early or mid-season losses that are head scratchers in that it seems like MSU us a much better team and *should* have won. Maybe a lot of that is Izzo testing out his "Plan B, C, D, etc".


Just my $0.02.

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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2023, 12:42:24 PM »
I am curious for a few of your opinions that are non Purdue fans on what you think Paint should do with his philosophy, stay the course or make tweaks or significant change how the team looks.  I have my opinion, but I will share that later as to not bias your feedback or thoughts, not that any of you would change an opinion because of what I say!
Gotta change this (class recruiting rankings per 247):

  • 2022: 6th in the B1G, 30th nationally
  • 2021: 8th in the B1G, 41st nationally
  • 2020: 6th in the B1G, 36th nationally
  • 2019: 8th in the B1G, 57th nationally
  • 2018: 9th in the B1G, 49th nationally
  • 2017: 4th in the B1G, 34th nationally
  • 2016: 13th in the B1G, 108th(!) nationally
  • 2015: 7th in the B1G, 37th nationally
  • 2014: 5th in the B1G, 33rd nationally
  • 2013: 4th in the B1G, 28th nationally
  • 2012: 5th in the B1G, 16th nationally
  • 2011: 12th in the B1G, 92nd nationally
 


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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2023, 02:16:30 PM »
Gotta change this (class recruiting rankings per 247):

  • 2022: 6th in the B1G, 30th nationally
  • 2021: 8th in the B1G, 41st nationally
  • 2020: 6th in the B1G, 36th nationally
  • 2019: 8th in the B1G, 57th nationally
  • 2018: 9th in the B1G, 49th nationally
  • 2017: 4th in the B1G, 34th nationally
  • 2016: 13th in the B1G, 108th(!) nationally
  • 2015: 7th in the B1G, 37th nationally
  • 2014: 5th in the B1G, 33rd nationally
  • 2013: 4th in the B1G, 28th nationally
  • 2012: 5th in the B1G, 16th nationally
  • 2011: 12th in the B1G, 92nd nationally



2022: 14th in the B1G
2021: 5th
2020: 5th
2019: 14th
2018: 13th
2017: 5th
2016: 12th
2015: 10th
2014: 14th
2013: 5th
2012: 8th
2011: 7th


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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2023, 02:45:25 PM »
This is missing Dekker at #2 for some reason. He is UW's only other 5* recruit. They've had around 15 total 4* recruits.





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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2023, 04:28:00 PM »
Basketball recruiting rankings is also kind of wonky, because they have to factor class size, but because of that, a 5 man, meh class frequently beats a good 2 man class.  I think MSU's 2 man class of Jaren Jackson and Xavier Tillman was ranked in the 40s

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Re: 2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2023, 04:39:23 PM »
Basketball recruiting rankings is also kind of wonky, because they have to factor class size, but because of that, a 5 man, meh class frequently beats a good 2 man class.  I think MSU's 2 man class of Jaren Jackson and Xavier Tillman was ranked in the 40s
Yes, but having consistently large recruiting classes means you're replacing guys that leave the program early. If that's due to them leaving for the NBA, it's evidence you're getting talent.

Purdue and Wisconsin are recruiting four year players (sometimes 5 with redshirts), because they can't regularly get one and done or two and done guys.

Their smaller classes are then a symptom of less talent in general.

 

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