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Topic: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread

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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #322 on: December 10, 2022, 12:42:49 PM »
I’m somewhat middling on this hire. It tends to be hard to run a good defense alongside that scheme. And I have seen in a couple spots that he is extremely abrasive to work with.

on the other hand, yards and points and yards and points
have to think Fickell will take care of the defense....doubt Wisconsin will have a trash defense as long as Fickell is running the ship.

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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #323 on: December 10, 2022, 01:04:36 PM »
Would really like them to stick with the 3-4 but that is in doubt. LB is a position that UW recruits well. It's the DL and DB recruiting that has always suffered. Maybe that changes now. Tough to get fast and tall FL kids to come to Madison. Always has been.
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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #324 on: December 10, 2022, 01:37:01 PM »
Tony White is set to join Matt Rhule’s first staff at NU.

According to Pete Thamel of ESPN, White runs a 3-3-5 defense


Gonna need some big kids in the back 5 in run support in the West

or maybe not if Wisconsin goes away from the power run game
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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #325 on: December 10, 2022, 07:05:01 PM »
have to think Fickell will take care of the defense....doubt Wisconsin will have a trash defense as long as Fickell is running the ship.
Maybe, but if you run that O the way it's supposed to be run, you're not doing that defense any favors. 

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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #326 on: December 10, 2022, 07:23:45 PM »
Feels like a hard pivot, but probably an overdue one.  The Athletic college football podcast was debating the Mel.Tucker contract, and their recruiting guy shut it down, and said they have killed college football as anything other than a national title sport, but unlike basketball, there is way less randomness.  Mel Tucker may fail, but he's gunning for it.  Dantonio may have kept churning out 8-4 seasons, but 8-4 might as well be 4-8 with the current narrative.  So you might as well shoot for the moon, because the downside isn't worse than the worst case scenario.  Wisconsin is realizing the same.  They could just go 9-3 forever, lose in the CCG, and wind up in a random Alamo Bowl.  Or go for broke, and if it doesn't work, who cares, you missed an Alamo Bowl
To be fair, that recruiting guy is obsessed with the title race and not much of a believer in the idea of the spot being broad and interesting for the sake of being intersting. Like, the way to beat that narrative is just to do things like enjoying watching your team, even if it goes a hard-fought 7-5. Like, there's no rule a person can't do that, even if ESPN says stuff. 

The downside/worse case scenario is always interesting because it's broadly applied across sports in a sort of interesting way. There's always this temptation to reduce down the range of things that are pretty good. So you're either at the moon, or everything else is garbage. That writer also said he'd rather be 7-5 than 9-3 if it got a five-star QB development reps, something with a poor track record of mattering. (It also kind of sets aside the idea that being good is a step toward being great, which I always find a bit silly)

But when it comes down to it, once you're in the season, people live and die on each week. And if you're saying one third of the season of feeling bad/not caring doesn't matter, it just kind of feels like a self defense mechanism. I've watched 6-6 teams and 9-3 teams, and let me tell you, 9-3 is a much, much more enjoyable experience, and that's why I watch, not to pine for a title run I'm not likely to get. 

The Tucker bit is interesting. His pitch, and the pitch The Athletic writer bought, was that because he could pull blue chippers at places that pull blue chippers, he could maybe do it in EL. It's the same pitch as Ed O in Mississipi, Tim Brewster in Minnesota. Maybe it totally works, but probably won't. And in a lot of cases, then you get feasted on by the 9-3ers or the world. And maybe the 4-8 team feels the same as the 9-3 team, but I've never felt that. On the other hand, Fleck came to Minnesota as the talent collected, albeit one that could never draft off a power brand. And somehow, he is still in that middle tier, with perfectly nice recruiting because it's hard to get really good kids from warm places to come to cold ones. (It also leaves me thinking about Will Muschamp, a legendary recruiter, who went to a non-recruiting power and delivered, basically classes within that school's normal range)

Anyway, that's something I had a lot of thoughts about, less focused on Wisconsin or MSU, but just because I listen to that pod. 

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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #327 on: December 10, 2022, 09:28:55 PM »
I never felt that before maybe 2016, but I do now.  This 5-7 MM SU season didn't feel any different than Mark Dantonios late era Redbox Bowl or Pinstripe Bowl season.

What's the point in trying to win an arbitrary number of games to play in an exhibition game that all of your good players skip?  We've already gone this route in pro sports, with tanking.  Nobody cares about being decent.  They'd rather be horrible, for the chance to be great.

And don't get it wrong, I hate it.  I was stoked when MSU got bowl eligible in 2007.  And to be in a NYD bow the next year was cloud nine.  But as a realist, nobody cares.  Recruits don't care.  The media doesn't care.  Every sport has turned into title contenders or nothin

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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #328 on: December 11, 2022, 12:26:39 AM »
I never felt that before maybe 2016, but I do now.  This 5-7 MM SU season didn't feel any different than Mark Dantonios late era Redbox Bowl or Pinstripe Bowl season.

What's the point in trying to win an arbitrary number of games to play in an exhibition game that all of your good players skip?  We've already gone this route in pro sports, with tanking.  Nobody cares about being decent.  They'd rather be horrible, for the chance to be great.

And don't get it wrong, I hate it.  I was stoked when MSU got bowl eligible in 2007.  And to be in a NYD bow the next year was cloud nine.  But as a realist, nobody cares.  Recruits don't care.  The media doesn't care.  Every sport has turned into title contenders or nothin
But in the grand scheme, a lot of folks do care. They care week in and week out. I've seen teams that slip. I've seen folks howl  through bad season. A lot of folks say they won't care, til they're hit with losses. I bet a good number of folks cared about the IU loss. Even if it meant some arbitrary trip to some random locale. 

And in the truth, there is no tanking in this sport. It's illusionary. This sport thrives on vibes. And winning some if good for vibes. You want to win because winning feels good. 

A lot of fans still care. I'd disagree with some of that. Recruits do care, we see it often. Media, it's a big cadre. They're gonna thump coaches when they, yes, lose. And some turn too much attention to the playoff, but the beauty is, I don't have to care about them. I care about getting to watch ball and my team, and break down what happens to the roster and what the next season might bring. Talent will come in as it does. Media will blather. Coaches long ago decided to punt on some games (All games are exhibitions, really), and I stuck with it becuase I like seeing weird teams play and some kids have fun doing it. If one decides to care and it brings them joy, then why put any stock in how someone else feels about it?

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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #329 on: December 11, 2022, 11:10:09 AM »
I hope Fick truly knows what he's in for with the UW admissions department. 

Or said department finally relaxes standards to keep up.

I used to be proud of the strict standards. Now that CFB is no longer truly played by student-athletes, F it.
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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #330 on: December 22, 2022, 06:15:15 AM »


of all the new coaches in the West, think Fickell was by far the best hire "on paper" and has the best chance of success imo.
Everything is in place for him to have success.

New facilities (Fick demand) are ready for construction. Tha fanbase is rabid. Camp Randall is great. Madison is a great college town - among the best.

Biggest thing?

The new Chancellor apparently gives a shit about football. She approved of this change, which did not come cheap.



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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #331 on: December 22, 2022, 06:26:32 AM »


I keep telling you- your going to like that dude as your coach

He's growing on me. I wish he could have kept Leonhard as DC, but it was not to be.


Now he's "lost" OLB coach (and ace recruiter) Bobby April. That's huge. Looks like CB coach Hank Poteat is also a goner. Not sure about DL Ross Kolodziej. He's also done a great job and I hope he stays.

I was really hoping April would stay on as co-DC/LB and keep the band together. Defense was absolutely NOT the problem in Madison.

The 3-4 worked because UW can recruit LB's (clearly). They do OK at DL too. The trouble has been in the back end - particularly at corner.

How Tressel will install a 3-3-5. Hopefully he does that gradually because he absolutely does not have enough corners to do it today.

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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #332 on: December 22, 2022, 08:05:27 PM »
apparently Rhule's new D coordinator loves the 3-3-5
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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #333 on: December 25, 2022, 10:17:51 AM »
Bowl game in two days. 10:15 EST start. Gonna have to take nap so I can watch this one.
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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #334 on: December 25, 2022, 10:27:56 AM »
Bowl game in two days. 10:15 EST start. Gonna have to take nap so I can watch this one.
Local Alumni Association says they’re having a watch party. 

we are going to swing by, scope out the crowd, and if it’s light, we will leave at the end of the first quarter.

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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #335 on: December 25, 2022, 10:36:36 AM »
I’m somewhat middling on this hire. It tends to be hard to run a good defense alongside that scheme. And I have seen in a couple spots that he is extremely abrasive to work with.

on the other hand, yards and points and yards and points
I was looking at UNC stats this morning. It was about 50-50 run-pass, and I imagine it will be more like 40-60 run-pass in Madison because of what he has at RB right now.

For 2022, UW was 60-40 run-pass. In 2011, with Russell Wilson, UW was 65-35!! RW had 79 rushing attempts.

It's gonna look different for sure. I think it will also be better. Really looking forward to this.

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