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Topic: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread

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ELA

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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #224 on: November 17, 2022, 01:38:35 PM »
At least this year, you get the coach firing the fans wanted, you wear the losses on the trail that comes with uncertainty.
Yeah, as MSU fan frustration has shifted from the defense to the offense, one of our writers pointed out that if you switch DCs, there will likely be little to no impact on the 2023 class.  You switch OCs, that would not be the case at all

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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #225 on: November 17, 2022, 01:38:57 PM »
At least this year, you get the coach firing the fans wanted, you wear the losses on the trail that comes with uncertainty.
If he wasn't planning on hiring JL from the start, he should have kept PC and let the season tank. They'd have two more losses than they do already.
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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #226 on: November 18, 2022, 07:30:19 AM »
If he wasn't planning on hiring JL from the start, he should have kept PC and let the season tank. They'd have two more losses than they do already.
Then you get the losses on the trail from being 4-8?

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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #227 on: November 18, 2022, 07:50:10 AM »
I don't think so. Kids see an opportunity for early PT at a good P5 program.

Harbass didn't offer any of those kids until his buddy got fired, by the way.
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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #228 on: November 18, 2022, 01:29:37 PM »
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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #229 on: November 18, 2022, 02:17:40 PM »
I don't think so. Kids see an opportunity for early PT at a good P5 program.

Harbass didn't offer any of those kids until his buddy got fired, by the way.
Wisconsin fired the head coach. There was always bound to be de-commits and flips. 

Jeem just doing his job trying to get good players into his program. Don't hate the player, hate the game. If you don't want de-commits and flips, don't fire the head coach. 

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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #230 on: November 20, 2022, 07:38:31 AM »
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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #231 on: November 21, 2022, 01:02:24 PM »
Have been reading about whether this is the worst Wisconsin team in x-years. Yup. Question is which teams to judge it against.

Maybe 2008. That team underperformed its potential. It had some really good players on both sides of the ball, particularly on defense. The team was competitive against some good teams (Ohio State and Michigan State), but terrible in others (Penn State, Iowa, and in its bowl game against Florida State), and it narrowly beat Fresno State (at Fresno State, and to be fair, the Bulldogs were in the midst of their run of being decent), and needed OT to beat FCS-Cal Poly (!!!). Still, that team always felt like it could be pretty good, but just didn't gel. This team feels legitimately mediocre.

2001? Last time the Badgers missed a bowl. That team was a puzzle; it was competitive in some tough games and would turn around and lose to mediocre teams. At Oregon (which finished AP #2), the Badgers hung in and lost by a field goal. Then they turned around and lost to Fresno State (at Camp Randall) the next week. Then beat Penn State in Happy Valley, then turned around and got steamrolled by Indiana at Camp Randall (I mean Randle El was good, but come on!!). Then the Badgers beat Ohio State in Columbus (second to last time for that, to date), but lost at Illinois and at home to Michigan State, before beating Iowa, and hanging around against a decent Michigan team (in Madison) only to lose by a field goal. Then they lost to Minnesota (one of only two losses in 23 games). It was a very Jekyll and Hyde team that consistently played to the level of their competition. I would definitely pick that team to beat this team.

1997 was a bad year with a decent record built on creampuffs. Syracuse (back when Syracuse could still play) absolutely destroyed the Badgers in the opening game, then the Badgers feasted on body bag games (Boise State, before it was Boise State, San Jose State, and San Diego State). The Badgers' high point was upsetting #12 Iowa (a team that ended up 7-5), lost to Michigan and Penn State, then Georgia steamrolled the Badgers to end the season in the Outback Bowl. That team had a decent record, but it wasn't very good.

1995 is another strong option. Another beat down to start the season (at home against Colorado). Two ties (Stanford, and the most boring football game every played to finish the season: 3-3 against Illinois over Thanksgiving weekend--I remember skipping that game on purpose and feeling good about our decision). Somehow that team upset Penn State in Happy Valley (its first loss in 20 games), but other than that, it was pretty bad.

The current team reminds me most of these '95 and '97 teams. The offense has a star player, but that's it (i.e., one star player). The quarterback is better than he has been, but not good, and the offensive line is uncharacteristically weak. The defense is good--maybe with a quality offense they would be very good, but you have to be able to score to win, and this offense just isn't good.

What's noteworthy to me is who the head coach was for three of the four seasons I noted above: the King himself, Barry Alvarez. So, you know, hall of fame coaches can have bad years. And these were all post Rose Bowl--I'm not talking about the rebuild project he came into. How times have changed...

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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #233 on: November 27, 2022, 01:51:19 PM »
Going from 1st and goal on the 5 to 2nd and goal from the 30 was a thing of beauty. The interim tag should be removed immediately. 

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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #234 on: November 27, 2022, 05:50:51 PM »
Coming back to where I started when McIntosh fired Chryst, the #3 winningest coach in Wisconsin football history: McIntosh is making gutsy calls--good or bad, he's not afraid to make them. Leonard was an easy pick, and one that a lot of people wanted. And it may be a disaster that UW passed on him. Word is that after Notre Dame took Davey without even sniffing around King Barry, Alvarez was permanently turned off from that program. Leonard is probably not permanently against coming back to Madison, but it wouldn't surprise me if he won't come here while McIntosh is still here.

But Fickell looks like a great hire, and a sign that McIntosh is ready to move on from the last 30 years of the Badgers' style. What won't work is trying to recruit and play the way Michigan and Ohio State do. This isn't that kind of program. But if Fickell could succeed at Cincinnati, then surely Wisconsin shouldn't be that hard for him to adjust to. Still need to recruit the unheralded kids and coach them up. Still need to be solid in the trenches. 

If Leonard weren't part of the picture, most people would be ecstatic about this hire.

I'm sure JL will land on his feet and he may even make people wish McIntosh has kept him in Madison. But right, wrong, or indifferent, McIntosh proved he wants to move Wisconsin football forward. I'll tip my cap to him for that.

And hold him accountable if JL is kicking ass somewhere when Fickell is fired or leaves for OSU.

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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #235 on: November 27, 2022, 06:24:11 PM »
Based on yesterday OSU could use a DC
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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #236 on: November 27, 2022, 06:27:00 PM »
seems to me that Wisconsin and Nebraska got the best coaches for their current situations

Huskers need a complete rebuild - that's Rhule
Badgers are in better shape and just need a proven head coach upcomer to steer the ship in the right direction w/o losing the basic formula

Fickell has a bit of a leg up as he has roots and experience in the conference

good luck to both programs
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Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #237 on: November 27, 2022, 06:27:31 PM »
Based on yesterday OSU could use a DC
grab Parker and save him from Iowa City
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