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ELA

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Re: 2022 NFL Thread
« Reply #952 on: January 24, 2023, 03:56:05 PM »
I feel pretty good saying the 2 best teams from each conference are in the CCGs.  Makes for a fun Sunday

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« Reply #953 on: January 24, 2023, 04:27:30 PM »
Burrow is the best QB in the NFL right now imo. I'd take him over anyone right now. Brady and Rodgers are done imo. The new guys are the face of the league now. The baton has been passed. And I think I'd take Burrow over anyone right now. Even Mahomes- who I think is obviously excellent. It's real close between those two imo. 
The thing about Burrow and Mahomes is that they are easy to root for. 

Brady and Rodgers (especially Rodgers) were not. I never rooted against Brady though. Just not for him. Rodgers is just an asshole.
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« Reply #954 on: January 24, 2023, 04:37:35 PM »

Switching gears but staying on guys I hope do well, I got to watch the Bengals/Bills game this weekend.  As noted, I don't see them much.  Still can't figure out Burrow.  Genuinely can't tell how good he is or isn't.  His arm is definitely meh by NFL standards but I always knew that would be the case.  Not a deal-breaker....Brees' arm wasn't a rocket either.  But Brees made up for it with a brain that processed the game faster than everybody else and lethal accuracy.  For the life of me I can't tell if Burrow can be that guy or not.  The few times I've gotten to watch the Bengals, a lot of the throws he makes were to guys WIDE ASS open.  Like.....you better hit that throw, because otherwise....dude.  I don't know if he can throw into tiny contested windows like he did in college or not.  Still root for him.  Unlike Dak, he's not a Louisiana kid, but we adopted him anyway. 

I don't watch a ton of Burrow, but I think it's certainly helpful when you have 3x good freakin' guys to throw to. Hell, Lamar has one, and he's not even a WR. 

Burrow is the best QB in the NFL right now imo. I'd take him over anyone right now. Brady and Rodgers are done imo. The new guys are the face of the league now. The baton has been passed. And I think I'd take Burrow over anyone right now. Even Mahomes- who I think is obviously excellent. It's real close between those two imo. 

Ya had me until you said you'd take him over Mahomes... I think Mahomes with the WR corps after losing Tyreek and "meh" running backs has shown that Mahomes makes EVERYONE on an offense better. 

That's not a slight on Burrow. But IMHO Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL right now, and I'm not sure it's close. 

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« Reply #955 on: January 24, 2023, 05:21:43 PM »
Hard for me to make a good comparison, partly because I don't get to watch Burrow most of the time.  Seems the Chiefs are often a national slot or a SNF/MNF game.  At any rate, I watch Mahomes a fair bit. 

The Chiefs feel like a more "coherent" team to me.  I get what they are and what they want to do, the coach has a plan, he manages the game, the pieces are there.  Mahomes has a lot of help around him.  I like their WRs pretty well as a group, and Kelce is a flat out cheat code.  However, what I really like is the OL....they usually look really good.  CEH added a nice touch at RB and now this Pacheco guy is really something.  All that said, as noted in my last post, Mahomes is really, really, really good.  Like, it's hard to process all the tools he has to win a game. 

When I do get to watch the Bengals, Burrow has usually been hopelessly obliterated by a line that would make RG3 have sympathy for him.  Although they do win their share of games.  Sometimes it's his fault for not getting rid of the ball quicker.  Most of the time it's not.  Otoh, the Bengals line looked uncharacteristically good against Buffalo.  Beyond that, Jefferson and Higgins are quite a pair to have to throw to, and Hurst is not a bad TE himself, although nothing like Kelce.  I also don't think much of Zak Taylor as a coach, but that's just me and I could be wrong.  Really different team than the Chiefs.  

The two QBs work in such different situations that comparing them is hard, so I don't.  Easier to just look at the tools they display.  Mahomes can simply do everything, most of it at an uncommonly good level.  I don't have a good feel for what Burrow does (or doesn't do) that would put him near that level, or not.  When I do get to watch, he's usually either cremated by a rusher or he throws to a wide open receiver.  How much is the former bad play design or a poor OL, and how much is the latter good play design or a next-level receiver?  I feel like I can see what Mahomes is when I watch the Chiefs.  I can't tell what's Burrow and what's not, be it when the Bengals are struggling or when they're doing well.  He can find wide open receivers and complete some checkdowns.  Okay, fine.  Can he do more?  I don't know, I don't get to see it.  Mahomes, on the other hand, is a never ending highlight reel.  

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« Reply #956 on: January 24, 2023, 05:23:44 PM »
That's not a slight on Burrow. But IMHO Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL right now, and I'm not sure it's close.
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« Reply #957 on: January 24, 2023, 06:22:33 PM »
Hard for me to make a good comparison, partly because I don't get to watch Burrow most of the time.  Seems the Chiefs are often a national slot or a SNF/MNF game.  At any rate, I watch Mahomes a fair bit. 

The Chiefs feel like a more "coherent" team to me.  I get what they are and what they want to do, the coach has a plan, he manages the game, the pieces are there.  Mahomes has a lot of help around him.  I like their WRs pretty well as a group, and Kelce is a flat out cheat code.  However, what I really like is the OL....they usually look really good.  CEH added a nice touch at RB and now this Pacheco guy is really something.  All that said, as noted in my last post, Mahomes is really, really, really good.  Like, it's hard to process all the tools he has to win a game. 

When I do get to watch the Bengals, Burrow has usually been hopelessly obliterated by a line that would make RG3 have sympathy for him.  Although they do win their share of games.  Sometimes it's his fault for not getting rid of the ball quicker.  Most of the time it's not.  Otoh, the Bengals line looked uncharacteristically good against Buffalo.  Beyond that, Jefferson and Higgins are quite a pair to have to throw to, and Hurst is not a bad TE himself, although nothing like Kelce.  I also don't think much of Zak Taylor as a coach, but that's just me and I could be wrong.  Really different team than the Chiefs. 

The two QBs work in such different situations that comparing them is hard, so I don't.  Easier to just look at the tools they display.  Mahomes can simply do everything, most of it at an uncommonly good level.  I don't have a good feel for what Burrow does (or doesn't do) that would put him near that level, or not.  When I do get to watch, he's usually either cremated by a rusher or he throws to a wide open receiver.  How much is the former bad play design or a poor OL, and how much is the latter good play design or a next-level receiver?  I feel like I can see what Mahomes is when I watch the Chiefs.  I can't tell what's Burrow and what's not, be it when the Bengals are struggling or when they're doing well.  He can find wide open receivers and complete some checkdowns.  Okay, fine.  Can he do more?  I don't know, I don't get to see it.  Mahomes, on the other hand, is a never ending highlight reel. 
There was a time last season where Burrow led the league in throws into tight coverage. He's not as aggressive this season, but is still throwing into tighter coverage compared to most quarterbacks. His biggest attributes are his ability to throw the ball quickly (only second to Brady in that statistic) and his accuracy (second to Geno Smith of all people). Honestly, the biggest comp for the Bengals right now are Brady's Patriots. Brady was obviously awesome, but the reason he won so much wasn't just him but also the fact that he had good defenses year in and year out. Burrow has been blessed with some pretty strong defenses last year and this year - has papered over when the offense has been just all right.

You aren't the only who hasn't thought much of Zac Taylor (I called him Dave Shula redux when he was hired). But hard to argue with the results. The line has actually been pretty solid this year after a rocky start, though they lost three guys to injury very recently so tough to say there. 

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« Reply #958 on: January 24, 2023, 06:42:26 PM »
When you say throw the ball quickly, do you mean average seconds until the ball comes out after the snap, or do you mean his release time?  Because if you'd have asked me I'd have told you that Burrow looks like he has an average-to-slow release for the league.  otoh, if you just mean seconds in the pocket, I guess that's good if he can make quick decisions.  I also did not realize he frequently throws into tight windows, but as I say, I don't watch them enough. 

I should stick to college ball where I occasionally actually know things and stop talking about Burrow and NFL qbs who I obviously don't watch enough. 

Mahomes is amazing though, and I stand by that.  And Good-Dak is quite impressive as well, but Bad-Dak drags down Overall-Dak's performance and record.  I also think Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, and Lamar Jackson are really good too.  And that Trevor Lawrence will quickly become top-notch, and, given time and the right tools, Justin Fields can become one of the greats too. 

Oh look.....I started talking about stuff I don't really know about again anyway.  

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« Reply #959 on: January 24, 2023, 06:56:02 PM »
When you say throw the ball quickly, do you mean average seconds until the ball comes out after the snap, or do you mean his release time?  
Average seconds until the ball comes out

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« Reply #960 on: January 24, 2023, 08:24:06 PM »
You guys are over thinking this just watch the damn game
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« Reply #961 on: January 24, 2023, 09:15:32 PM »
Burrow is the best QB in the NFL right now imo. I'd take him over anyone right now. Brady and Rodgers are done imo. The new guys are the face of the league now. The baton has been passed. And I think I'd take Burrow over anyone right now. Even Mahomes- who I think is obviously excellent. It's real close between those two imo. 
He's gotten better at getting rid of the ball a bit faster this year. Guys not having to break stride catching the ball from him either. Still would keep Mahomes ahead of him until I see how he does when Chase-Burrow take up 1/3 of their cap.  

Eagles-Cincy would be a crazy good SB. Both these teams are IMO as good or better than every SB winner since the seahawks. Just talent everywhere. 

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« Reply #963 on: January 24, 2023, 10:40:18 PM »
I didn't realize that the Demar Hamlin actually died and was replaced by a double, conspiracy theory was actually relatively mainstream. Did those loons get to the bottom of Paul McCartneys body double and move on?

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« Reply #964 on: January 24, 2023, 10:40:43 PM »
On Mahomes vs Burrow.......KC traded away their top WR and Mahomes had the same/slightly better results this year without him.  Would the same happen for Burrow if CIN traded away Chase?
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« Reply #965 on: January 24, 2023, 10:43:19 PM »
On Mahomes vs Burrow.......KC traded away their top WR and Mahomes had the same/slightly better results this year without him.  Would the same happen for Burrow if CIN traded away Chase?
Top WR doesn't equal best pass catcher.  Kelce is that.  But no, Burrow isn't there yet either way

 

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