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Topic: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread

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Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
« Reply #126 on: January 24, 2021, 08:57:52 AM »
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Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
« Reply #127 on: January 24, 2021, 09:35:16 AM »
new blood in the boosters of substance?
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Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
« Reply #129 on: January 24, 2021, 01:13:09 PM »
Rumors Urbz might have snatched him up
Might be a better fit for the NFL. Warriner is a real good coach, but he’s honestly a shitty recruiter.

NFL he’d just have to coach, not have to worry about recruiting.

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Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
« Reply #130 on: January 25, 2021, 03:05:03 PM »
Lot of smoke that Penn State LB Lance Dixon is transferring to Michigan. 

Dixon is from Michigan and played at West Bloomfield HS under new Michigan WRs coach Ronald Bellamy. 

Dixon was rated as a 4* and the 179th player in the nation overall in the 247Composite in the class of 2019- but 247 was much higher on him rating him as a 5* and the #13th player overall in the nation in 247’s own rankings.

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Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
« Reply #131 on: January 25, 2021, 11:51:14 PM »
Zach Smith- yes that Zach Smith- basically calling out Ed Warriner saying he's a shitty coach and a major league prick in general and that Michigan made the right move getting rid of him....


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Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
« Reply #132 on: January 26, 2021, 12:15:46 AM »
speaking of Warriner- the OL's that he's been the main recruiter at Michigan were.....

2019
4* Nolan Rumler (was going to go to Michigan regardless of who recruited him)
4* Trevor Keegan 
4* Karsen Barnhart
3* Zach Carpenter (transferred)

2020
4* Zak Zinter
4* Jeffrey Persi
3* Reece Atteberry  

2021
4* Giovanni El-Hadi (see: Rumler) 
4* Greg Crippen
3* Tristan Bounds


Warriner was rated as the #44 recruiter in the B1G alone in 2021 by 247Sports. Warriner by the way also lost a big lead on a pair of in-state top 100 OL recruits in Rocco Spindler (#60 player overall- ND) and Garrett Dellinger (#90 player overall- LSU). An ace recruiter never let's those guys get away from their backyard imo.

All of these guys above will obviously be coached by someone else going forward now that Warriner has been canned. Will be interesting to see how many of them develop into real players/get drafted. The 3 guys Warriner had that got drafted were all recruited by someone else and coached by someone else their first couple seasons at Michigan. Ben Bredeson was a borderline 5* (#39 player overall- just 7 spots away), Cesar Ruiz was close as well (#47 player overall) and Mike Onwenu was a top 100 player (#87 overall). The only recruit of any of those Warriner signed in that top 100 overall range was El-Hadi- who ranks the #85 player overall in the 2021 class. 

Warriner had 3 guys drafted- Ruiz was a 1st round pick, Bredeson a 4th round pick. I thought both were excellent college players. But you can make a good case that Mike Onwenu never developed properly- who that's on- Warriner- the strength staff- Harbaugh- I don't really know- but the guy was a 6th round pick- goes off to New England and in his rookie year was one of the best offensive linemen in the entire NFL- as a rookie. 

He'll have another drafted in Jalen Mayfield- but like the other 3- he wasn't recruited by Warriner- he was there before Warriner was ever hired.

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Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
« Reply #133 on: January 26, 2021, 08:11:53 AM »
Zach Smith- yes that Zach Smith- basically calling out Ed Warriner saying he's a shitty coach and a major league prick in general and that Michigan made the right move getting rid of him....
The thing is that may all be true but coming from Zach it's like Hitler calling Stalin a bad guy.But i still think from a mechanics/techniques aspect Warriner is dialed in.He's out of his element as an OC.Coaches sometimes have to be hard on players because the opponent certainly will.Now if half the crap about Zach is accurate - taking coaches of recruits to strip bars(with Herman).Bumping uglies with chicks after hours at the Athletic Center.Someone said he ordered sex toys that got delivered at work,damn that's just classless and crass.Zach sounds like he's describing himself.Harbaugh has way more to do with recruiting than Ed who just got there 2 yrs back.Seems Zach left out these tidbits

In his first two years with the program, Warinner led the only offensive line in the Big Ten to see all five starters earn all-conference recognition. Highlighted by Jon Runyan (first team, 2019-20) and Ben Bredeson (second team, 2018; first team, 2019), the U-M offensive line made dramatic strides under Warinner's directon. Bredeson was also named the team's Toughest Player in 2018.

In Warinner's first year, sacks (23 allowed) and tackles for loss (59 allowed) decreased 36 and 40 percent, respectively, from their totals the year before. The starting offensive line combined for a pass blocking efficiency rating of 97.8. The U-M offense ranked fifth nationally in time of possession and the offense's total output of 5,457 yards ranks fifth all-time at in school history.

When he was in C-Bus the O-Lineman loved him and coached guys up.Ask Zach why the Jets coaches said Devin Smith needed improvement as a route runner after 3 yrs getting coached by you know who.Smith ripped up 2 knees so he had some problems but raw talent wasn't one of them

Yup people can change but Zach has a long way to go
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Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
« Reply #134 on: January 26, 2021, 11:17:04 AM »
Oh yeah forgot about Jon Runyan, he was also a 6th rd pick. Another guy who was already there and recruited by someone else. If Mayfield gets drafted 1st rd like most of the mocks are projecting, that’ll be 5 OL draft picks Wariner has had in 3 seasons- and he recruited none of them.

Is recruiting more important or coaching at the college level? Like is identifying and offering and signing talent more important than coaching them up? We’re about to find out. Not sure about Sherrone Moore ability as an OL coach at all but he can most definitely recruit his ass off. Dax Hill, JJ McCarthy, Donovan Edwards, AJ Henning - he recruited them all and many more others. He was rated by 247 as the #8 recruiter in all of college football.

I think Wariner is a really good OL coach but he’s definitely a piss poor OC and play-caller, and very mediocre at recruiting. Warriner’s title at Michigan wasn’t just OL coach- it was also “run game co-ordinator”- which suggests he was in large part responsible for the running game and calling or selecting run plays- and Michigan’s run game fell off a cliff year over year.

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Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
« Reply #135 on: January 26, 2021, 11:28:09 AM »
So it was his say on which RB's were used in games? That could explain the transfer. Maybe the kid will come back now??
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Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
« Reply #136 on: January 26, 2021, 12:46:25 PM »
So it was his say on which RB's were used in games? That could explain the transfer. Maybe the kid will come back now??
Not sure. Zach Charbonnet isn't coming back regardless. Rumors are UCLA, USC, and Wisconsin are the schools he's looking at.

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Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
« Reply #137 on: January 27, 2021, 01:09:33 PM »
Belleville HS head coach Jermain Crowell was on Michigan homer/booster/Harbaugh crotch sniffer Sam Webb's radio show this am. Apparently with the hiring of Mike Hart and Ron Bellamy, the fences have been mended. Harbaugh has even spoken with Crowell according to him and they've buried the hatchet. This is a big deal. Michigan/Harbaugh was basically banned from Belleville.

Belleville had one 5* and one 4* player in the 2021 cycle- and neither went to Michigan. The 5* DT went to Bama, the 4* LB went to Penn State. They have a lot of talent coming up through their rankings in the next few classes. Michigan needs to keep it's high-end high school football talent home. They don't have very much of it year over year.

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Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
« Reply #138 on: January 27, 2021, 01:11:39 PM »
Belleville HS head coach Jermain Crowell was on Michigan homer/booster/Harbaugh crotch sniffer Sam Webb's radio show this am. Apparently with the hiring of Mike Hart and Ron Bellamy, the fences have been mended. Harbaugh has even spoken with Crowell according to him and they've buried the hatchet. This is a big deal. Michigan/Harbaugh was basically banned from Belleville.

Belleville had one 5* and one 4* player in the 2021 cycle- and neither went to Michigan. The 5* DT went to Bama, the 4* LB went to Penn State. They have a lot of talent coming up through their rankings in the next few classes. Michigan needs to keep it's high-end high school football talent home. They don't have very much of it year over year.
Their best player in the 2022 class committed to Kentucky today

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Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
« Reply #139 on: January 27, 2021, 01:19:36 PM »
Their best player in the 2022 class committed to Kentucky today
Myles Rowser committed? He's their highest rated player I believe.

Michigan 100% should've hired Clinkscale.

 

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