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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7854 on: August 31, 2020, 04:36:26 PM »







Pretty sure that is where Lynyrd Skynrd recorded "One more from the Road" in '76.Right there with the ABB at the Fillmore East
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7855 on: August 31, 2020, 05:52:22 PM »
At a federal Level I have to believe the polls are almost rigged by big money special interests left & right.C'mon Joe Biden,Donald Trump,Nancy Pelosi how'd any of these stewed newts get nominated much less elected?I would invite none of them to dinner nor would I accept an invitation from them.As 94 says - I weep for the future
I don't get your point, Nubbz.
Nancy Pelosi got continually re-nominated and continually re-elected because she's who the idiot folks in her home district keep voting for.  Nothing to do with rigged polls at the federal or any other level.
Trump and Biden--they got the votes.
If the polls are horribly rigged, then they would be exposed on election day.  Unless you think all the elections are rigged by big money too, in which case you might as well live in a cave or move to New Zealand.  If you're young enough, which I doubt.
Or is your post in jest?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7856 on: August 31, 2020, 05:56:20 PM »
Pelosi - has been in the house since 1987
Biden - been in the senate since 1973

weep for the past while you're weeping
Actually, Biden hasn't been in the Senate since 2009.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7857 on: August 31, 2020, 05:59:41 PM »
I got to know one of the Marines with my son pretty well back in the day.  He finished OSU law school and was a really bright, articulate kind of guy, honest as the day is long, combat veteran.  He was interested in getting into politics, maybe working up to the national level someday.  He related to me how he attended some political meetings, Republican party meetings, and it became apparent to him that he basically had no chance.

It wasn't so much Big Money, though that can be a factor of course, as it was how MANY folks were clamoring for the same thing, and his qualities as a candidate were not really valued.  He would have been an outstanding candidate and servant of the people, truly.  That is generally not the sort "we" select these days (sfbadger's wife is an exception).

Another friend of mine in Cincy was the same, she ran for mayor, had been on town council.  Now, she was more liberal than Bernie, but whatever, she was pretty smart and articulate.  It so happened the former President of the Ohio Senate had retired and ran for mayor that same election.  He won, he had a ton of relatives living in the same small town.  He seemed like a decent enough fellow to me.  He helped get a stretch of I-75 dedicated to my son's memory.  And then we moved.

Anyway, I think in the main, the qualified, honest, articulate, smart individuals get swamped out.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7858 on: August 31, 2020, 06:00:26 PM »
Actually, Biden hasn't been in the Senate since 2009.
He was President of the Senate 2009-2017.  So he probably was occasionally IN the Senate ....

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7859 on: August 31, 2020, 06:02:49 PM »
I don't think most of us would eliminate the social safety net completely.  Maybe some would.  I would not.  The War on Poverty actually did reduce poverty initially, there was a fairly quick drop in measured poverty, and then it has lingered with little variation since.

I'm surprised there isn't more discussion about how to implement better ideas, but I think quite a few of our issues are kept alive by both political parties to create "energy" and dissension.
Actually, the early dip was the continuation of a downward trend in poverty since the early 1950s.  The downward trend stopped in 1967 and it has just bumped along between 11 and 14 percent ever since.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7860 on: August 31, 2020, 06:07:37 PM »

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7861 on: August 31, 2020, 06:37:25 PM »
Now Biden is lying that Trump is going to defund social security

The dems are in trouble and they know it


they dont even believe the polls
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7862 on: August 31, 2020, 06:59:00 PM »
Now Biden is lying that Trump is going to defund social security
I tend to think a politician being deceptive (lying) is not really news ....

What specifically did Biden say?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7863 on: August 31, 2020, 07:01:20 PM »
I don't get your point, Nubbz.
Nancy Pelosi got continually re-nominated and continually re-elected because she's who the idiot folks in her home district keep voting for.  Nothing to do with rigged polls at the federal or any other level.
Trump and Biden--they got the votes.
If the polls are horribly rigged, then they would be exposed on election day.  Unless you think all the elections are rigged by big money too, in which case you might as well live in a cave or move to New Zealand.  If you're young enough, which I doubt.
Or is your post in jest?
my point is how any of them got there in the 1st place.In a nation of 330 million we can do better than that.And elections can get rigged,but thanx for your opinion
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7864 on: August 31, 2020, 07:03:20 PM »
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Anyway, I think in the main, the qualified, honest, articulate, smart individuals get swamped out.
My family is still in the early stages of this, but there are a few things I've observed. (1) Name recognition matters; (2) ability to fundraise matters (and many people determine whether someone is worth supporting based on whether they are capable fundraisers); (3) convincing taste makers to support you matters a lot (and this includes the local interest groups). 

Some other things that are useful:
(A) independent wealth. There's a reason a lot of independently wealthy people are involved in politics: you need the time to dedicate to it without making any money, and it's sure useful to be able to kick in a bunch of your own money to jump start any campaign. I probably list this one first because we don't have it. We're comfortable, but not like a lot of the people who get into higher politics. But even from where we sit, SFIrish wouldn't be able to do what she's doing if I couldn't pay our bills on my salary.
(B) Articulate/Charismatic: people like voting for people who are "likable," which really means charismatic.
(C) Hard public policy work: numbers 1 and 3, above, often come about as a result of digging into public policy work in your locale. Working in government, including in the policy realm, is different from talking about politics. They are related, but plenty of people are capable of talking policy who aren't capable of making it.
(D) Attractive.
(E) Capable of dealing with a great deal of criticism and anger without letting it get to you. This is a part of public policy work that most people probably aren't accustomed to. Virtually any decision (from minimum wage, marijuana dispensaries, and property rights on the one hand, to tree removal and barking dogs on the other) generates ill will and animosity. And it shouldn't come as a surprise that more people reach out to their elected officials when they are angry than when they aren't. I think the ratio is probably about 100-1. 

Our experience so far is that the local interest groups care about your record more than your rhetoric, and that there are plenty of people who work in those groups who value integrity more than following their directions on everything (though you will rarely get support from a group that you basically disagree with; shocking, I know).

And luck matters, too.


I suspect a great many more of the people in public office are qualified, honest, articulate, and smart--as well as financially secure, attractive, and lucky--than many people think. But there are some awfully crooked ones (as there are in any center of power), and they sure give a bad rap to the rest.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7865 on: August 31, 2020, 07:05:28 PM »
I tend to think a politician being deceptive (lying) is not really news ....

What specifically did Biden say?
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/14/ad-watch-biden-exaggerates-trumps-social-security-/


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7866 on: August 31, 2020, 07:07:13 PM »
I got to know Mike DeWine and our Congressman some, to the point of writing some letters back and forth.  DeWine write a recco for my kid to get into law school.

I think they are folks trying to do the best the can.  I think there are many more, but the leadership in Congress is somehow not impressive, to me, at all.  They get the headlines.  I won't even comment on the two Presidential candidates ...

NPR had a nice thing circa 2008 with two freshmen congressmen from each party, their thoughts as they entered Congress, over a year.  It was quite interesting.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7867 on: August 31, 2020, 07:14:01 PM »
So to things in this popped out to me and I kinda wanted to delve into them.

1. "NPR featuring authors who write books literally titled, In Defense of Looting."
I found this
notable because media outlets for a long time ran all sorts of weird, extreme stuff on both sides. Like, it was just seen as part of the landscape that an outlet might interview a controversial figure or profile one or accept a piece of writing that just represented opinion (letters to the editor). But at some point, it became very, very important to say, "how dare this outlet give that person attention!" I think it has to do with the internet, which makes media more permanent. I couldn't share what I heard on the radio or saw on TV news. And the newspaper got replaced by a new one every day. And maybe I'd take offense in the moment, but it wouldn't become quite as much of a thing. And if NPR had a person on who had an unnuanced take on the role of modern militia movements and why they're super great, I think that would be fine (I'm also here for nuanced takes on militias. I think there's interesting discussion about looting, how it tacks alongside protest and how people don't notice protest without disruption, but am not really here for many defenses of it).

2. “Almost everyone I know here in LA is buying a gun, stocking up on water and wondering what the aftermath of the election results will look like. If Trump wins, I reckon America will burn. If Trump loses, America will burn. Either way, I’m preparing for America to burn.”
This strikes me as a traditional sort of American pessimism. The country was going to hell in the 60s, and 70s and 80s, and parts of the 2000s. Predicting the worst is as American as apple pie. And I know it goes against all that, but I'm an optimist. I've lived in places where folks have a lot of guns for nearly a decade. And folks are still folks. They want to go to school, work, meet friends, see their kids are doing stuff they like. Perhaps the fringes are more fringy, and those fringes are certianly more highlighted and better organized, but most folks go along and get along despite all this. (I also find it funny because I live in a county that's highly on one side of the political spectrum next door to one on the extreme other. And both work off one another, functioning symbiotically even in our charged times)

Bonus: The idea that "Democrats are walking into a trap." This is one of those dire comments that doesn't really matter right now. People vote in November. Things will be different then. Now maybe this is the trap, Democrats climbing atop a high horse too high. But we've had all sorts of dire warnings before all sorts of elections, and it's mostly hard to tell if these are real things or just noise. It also led me to remember that NAFTA was mostly the work of presidents from 1980-1992, with a member of the opposite party carrying it over the finish line. First this is funny because just imagine that kind of transition process. But also, imagine telling one of those two presidents that a member of their party would one day use their vision as a cudgel to crush a member of the opposite party. The future is aways weird, and the trap isn't usually that out in the open.
That seems like a review of only half of the article.  The other half, where he criticizes the Trump Party and its acolytes, and praises the peaceful protests in the aftermath of the George Floyd, you seem to have skipped!
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