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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7280 on: August 28, 2020, 10:11:01 AM »
Badge, the idea of donations is one that is widely shared. However the ability raise donations generally pales in comparison to the ability to tax. That's not universal, but there's a reason that governments rely on taxes and not donations. My favorite example, because I've lived it, was seeing local school advocates bust their buts to raise an astounding $2M to support our schools. Then we passed a tiny property tax increase--an amount far smaller per person than the average school donor was giving--that instantly raised five times that.

That's not to say that I oppose local foundations and philanthropic funding, but it tends to be a good supplement, not the main driver of policy.
You appear to want government to be a part of the solution. I do not. They will F it up, just as they have since 1933.

You want to give them more money (taxes) to waste on bad programs and/or policy.

No.

The solution comes from us.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7281 on: August 28, 2020, 10:12:05 AM »
Prisons never force people - everyone is there voluntarily.  The barbed wire just makes for pretty decorations.
well, the barbed wire doesn't hurt or damage anyone unless they try to climb over it.

that's their decision
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7282 on: August 28, 2020, 10:13:16 AM »


Nonviolence on display

You are confusing VIOLENT with other terms like objectionable, unpleasant, unfair, despicable, a travesty, nasty, horrible, etc.

A thing can be very very very bad and be nonviolent.  Duh.

A car crash is violent.  It might not be horrible.

Going to the hospital might be horrible depending, it's generally not violent.

These are common terms with specific meanings, I find it useful to use them correctly.  Others may not.

Eastern Michigan has an outstanding world class football program.  By outstanding, I mean third rate, and by world class, I mean like in Sudan.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7283 on: August 28, 2020, 10:14:29 AM »
You appear to want government to be a part of the solution. I do not. 
I for one want government to be part of the solution, absolutely I do.

I observe they often are not.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7284 on: August 28, 2020, 10:15:47 AM »
One could logically have a POV that some social "progress" is not progress.  We are now rather accepting of unmarried women getting pregnant, is that social progress?


That's a removal of social stigmas, which is a good thing.   And yes, having more freedom happens to include the freedom to make poor choices.  You know this.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7285 on: August 28, 2020, 10:16:49 AM »
And I'm still waiting to find out more about my own personal life and how I'm racist against my own race....
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7286 on: August 28, 2020, 10:20:05 AM »
That's a removal of social stigmas, which is a good thing.  And yes, having more freedom happens to include the freedom to make poor choices.  You know this. 
Social stigmas also can be useful and desirable things.  We have a social stigma today against child pornography for example (as well as laws).

There are boundaries where freedom ends and protection begins.

And we arguably are better off if the social stigma about getting pregnant at age 15 unmarried were still around.

The elimination of all social stigmas would be horrendous.  Most/many of obey most/many laws because of some social stigma, not because of the police.  I wouldn't rob another person even if I knew I could get away with it.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7287 on: August 28, 2020, 10:21:54 AM »

For better or worse, that’s what abortion is to evangelicals.  They (I’m saying they but I would fit in that group) think if we can’t agree on the right to life, then what else is there to talk about?
Very true, great post.

And their hypocrisy only grows on this issue...they toss all other issues out the window to end abortions (ideally, in their minds), just so those babies born largely to the poor and to brown and black mothers can be ignored.  They're quite literally advocating for growing the impoverished.  

If I took it a step further, it's as if they're trying to create a servant class of American citizens.  You know, to replace those illegal aliens who do the jobs no one else wants.  But that's merely conjecture on my part.  Silly, I'm sure.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7288 on: August 28, 2020, 10:22:31 AM »
Social stigmas also can be useful and desirable things.  We have a social stigma today against child pornography for example (as well as laws).
LOL, umm, yeah, this undermines your whole post.


If it's that useful, it's a law, buddy.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7289 on: August 28, 2020, 10:24:43 AM »
Very true, great post.

And their hypocrisy only grows on this issue...they toss all other issues out the window to end abortions (ideally, in their minds), just so those babies born largely to the poor and to brown and black mothers can be ignored.  They're quite literally advocating for growing the impoverished. 

If I took it a step further, it's as if they're trying to create a servant class of American citizens.  You know, to replace those illegal aliens who do the jobs no one else wants.  But that's merely conjecture on my part.  Silly, I'm sure.
Thank you you just answered your own question and prove your racism. Just reread the trash you just wrote.  You just made race the central issue around an issue that has nothing to do with race.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7290 on: August 28, 2020, 10:26:50 AM »
You are confusing VIOLENT with other terms like objectionable, unpleasant, unfair, despicable, a travesty, nasty, horrible, etc.

A thing can be very very very bad and be nonviolent.  Duh.

A car crash is violent.  It might not be horrible.

Going to the hospital might be horrible depending, it's generally not violent.

These are common terms with specific meanings, I find it useful to use them correctly.  Others may not.

Eastern Michigan has an outstanding world class football program.  By outstanding, I mean third rate, and by world class, I mean like in Sudan.
No I'm not.  You aren't using your own definition.  

"using or involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something."

Locking someone in a cage with the intent to punish them is violence.  Rape is typically considered violent, although it may not involve any broken bones. Car crashes aren't intentional, though it's pretty violent to be in one.  Having a gun pointed in your face is scary and violent, even if the cop is only "intending" to resolve a situation.  We get into silly things like slavery was nonviolent, the Holocaust was nonviolent, but breaking windows - that's the real violence.  I have to use words correctly.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7291 on: August 28, 2020, 10:28:46 AM »
LOL, umm, yeah, this undermines your whole post.


If it's that useful, it's a law, buddy.
I cited one pretty clear example where a social stigma prevents me personally from taking malevolent actions.  There are a lot of them, many not codified or not enforceable.  Social stigmas can be useful in societies.  Not all are of course, but some are, that's my point.

In Asian countries, it's a social stigma to walk around without a mask and has been for a long time.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7292 on: August 28, 2020, 10:33:03 AM »
And I'm still waiting to find out more about my own personal life and how I'm racist against my own race....
everyone is a racist
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7293 on: August 28, 2020, 10:38:07 AM »
Reverse racism is real. That's going to be a hurdle to cross when I execute my plan. They will have to trust me. That won't be easy.
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