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NorthernOhioBuckeye

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6888 on: August 26, 2020, 02:28:33 PM »
I wish it were so.

But it seems the shooter was there for the fight rather than town folk, and Americans of all sorts don't like to back down when it's probably wise. Might end up with some protesters ready to defend themselves from other out of towners.
They quit being protests when the first window was broken or the first fire was set. At that point, it became an illegal mob and any protester should have either stopped those bent on destruction or left the scene. Those that say are complicit in the riot. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6889 on: August 26, 2020, 02:30:07 PM »
They quit being protests when the first window was broken or the first fire was set. At that point, it became an illegal mob and any protester should have either stopped those bent on destruction or left the scene. Those that say are complicit in the riot.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6890 on: August 26, 2020, 02:30:35 PM »
Unfortunately for all of us, including the police, they are extremely on edge now. They have to approach any stop under the assumption that they are in harm's way. Tough job that not too many want right now.
By that logic, I should assume any interaction with a cop could lead to him or her harming me for something extremely mundane.

If they think I might kill them in every interaction, only they have far more leeway to kill me with less consequence (I cannot plead self defense in any case), then I really shouldn't care how if I look at the numbers, it's not really that likely I end up in a bag.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6891 on: August 26, 2020, 02:32:36 PM »

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6892 on: August 26, 2020, 02:33:47 PM »
No. Riots are an act of terrorism.

I don't know WTF civil unrest is, but I know I'm civil and I'm unrested.
Riots and civil unrest would be actual terms in the insurance if they appear. And in a sense of contracts, I'm 95 percent sure riots and terrorism would likely be considered separate things (a lawyer could correct me).

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6893 on: August 26, 2020, 02:35:23 PM »
Not a fan of losing my first amendment rights based on what someone else does
and the town isnt fond of having their property destroyed

based on someone else they had nothing to do with

would you protest at a bank when its being robbed

the protesters should leave for their own safety but are free to stay if they wish
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6894 on: August 26, 2020, 02:35:51 PM »
Not a fan of losing my first amendment rights based on what someone else does
Our rights are all limited, all of them.  And once the police or mayor declare a riot or a curfew, you lost your right to protest.  Obviously, an sensible protester who was interested in peaceful protest would comply.

It's somewhat akin to being required to wear a mask in public because of a public health emergency.  


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6895 on: August 26, 2020, 02:36:41 PM »
What constitutes common? What constitutes accepted?
Based on our convo here, it seems like it would be accepted in a modestly wide range of situations at least by our small group. Perhaps we are outliers. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6896 on: August 26, 2020, 02:38:05 PM »
What constitutes common? What constitutes accepted?
Phoenix has 450 such reported encounters in a month. Seems like a lot, Though I guess everyone's mileage varies. The second link shows some kids, including a six year old, being handcuffed at gunpoint due to department policy. That says it's pretty well accepted.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6897 on: August 26, 2020, 02:38:18 PM »
Not a fan of losing my first amendment rights based on what someone else does
If you and a friend stop at a bank and he decides to rob it and you both get in the car to head out, you are an accessory and will eventually loose all of your rights. Part of being a citizen is the responsibility to uphold the law and separate yourself from those that don't. If you choose to continue with the crowd breaking the law, you are complicit. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6898 on: August 26, 2020, 02:39:58 PM »
They are not this. Almost everyone is not from here, FYI.
This is such a critical aspect of this.  These are people being brought in- and their purpose is chaos and far removed from the cause of social or racial justice. 

if a cop makes a horrible, split second decision in a heated moment, even if they are well trained and have good intentions, they might end up killing or hurting someone.  We know this, and this case could turn out that way. 

but it’s still something that happened in a very heated, charged, emotional few seconds. Not premeditated. And let’s ask ourselves, who created this heated moment and supercharged situation? 

now looking at the other side where you have violent people ( and let’s be real/ protests are not at night after curfew), in some cases armed with weapons and in many cases armed with other items use for destruction. We know that many of them come in from other geographic areas.  In many cases they are supplied with their tools of destruction.  This violence and mayhem is 100% pre-meditated, and I don’t think anyone with a brain can claim that it will help the cause of social justice, and in fact usually tears down the neighborhoods where social justice and economic viability could use a little help.

Why would a governor not try to immediately quell the violence? Think about it for minute. Why? When I offered help to do so. There is only one viable reason that I can think of that is that like so many before him he does not want the violence and Mayham to end. He sees political gain in it.  Why would a governor not try to immediately quell the violence? Think about it for minute. Why? When offered help to do so. There is only one viable reason that I can think of that is that like so many before him he does not want the violence and Mayhem to end. He sees political gain in it.  

So in addition to talking about what we can do to fix racial injustice, which I agree is very real, we should be talking about what our leaders do or don’t do to help with the situation.

This may set race relations back in Wisconsin 10 or 20 years.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6899 on: August 26, 2020, 02:41:13 PM »
Riots and civil unrest would be actual terms in the insurance if they appear. And in a sense of contracts, I'm 95 percent sure riots and terrorism would likely be considered separate things (a lawyer could correct me).
I called my insurance company. Any damage from this rioting is not covered, as it's an act of terrorism.

Straight from the horse's mouth.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6900 on: August 26, 2020, 02:43:44 PM »
This is such a critical aspect of this.  These are people being brought in- and their purpose is chaos and far removed from the cause of social or racial justice. 
Domestic terrorism. And yes, this will not help the cause at all.  That's not what they are here for.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6901 on: August 26, 2020, 02:46:15 PM »
I called my insurance company. Any damage from this rioting is not covered, as it's an act of terrorism.

Straight from the horse's mouth.
So this rioting is considered terrorism, or all rioting is? 

I suppose in either case, it's a sharp/ruthless choice by the insurance companies, unless they never covered riots to begin with. 

 

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