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The excerpt I pulled from your post was about our inability to change YOUR mind.  You let any and every FACT just bounce off. 
Trump isn't the problem, it's people who think he's the right option over ANY other citizen chosen at random.  This might be eye-opening for you, but a person doesn't have to hate Trump to label his exploits as being inept, incompetent, absurd, racist, selfish, or adolescent.  Those are the obvious ones.  Hell you can like Trump and acknowledge that he might be the most self-serving human on the planet. 

But I'm the problem.

This may shock you. Millions of people who can’t stand him voted for him anyway and will again this time because of what the other side has to offer or should I say not offer.  

See post below- Which I sent before you even posed this question but clearly answers the question.

We have already discussed this but to rehash, like you I was hopeful that his election, being an outsider and not a career politician, would have some positives to it. The liberals in the media began their attacks long before he took office. It’s a 24 seven attack cycle and has been every single day of his presidency. They cannot acknowledge A single positive thing that he has accomplished, which in my view there are quite a few. No political figure in modern history has had as much of the media against him working diligently to undermine him since before he took office and then this poor guy has. And while you guys will try to deny that I firmly believe you’re being dishonest and you all know that. There really is no disputing it.

after I voted for Obama, and he and that entire party turned me off to such a high degree, this despicable treatment from the media has just made me sicker by the day. 
It’s not that you criticize him correctly, which you do but seriously how can I take anything you guys say seriously when you’re trying to blame him for things that clearly could or should be blamed on the left?

To Trump, The media are attack dogs and have been since day one.  To Biden, they are lapdogs. They won’t ask him any questions and when they do their huge fat softballs. 

it is clear to me and many many many others that the liberal playbook is to do bad things and then try to paint a picture that he is the cause of those things. Over and over and over.


Was it you that said you’re surprised he has so much support?  Stop and take a look at what the “other side “is offering?  It’s all one great big huge turn off. 

if Trump wasn’t such a dick, or if he was just half as much of a dick as he is, I would definitely be voting for him just to stop the left agenda which I just hate.  But I have to look in the mirror and I know I can’t do that if I vote for him and I definitely can’t do that if I vote for the “other side“
it will be interesting to me when he’s out of office next year how much of things that might not go well or go wrong the Democrats will still be trying to blame on him. I’m going to guess it will go on for years.

So you're saying your defense of Trump is something akin to liking a good underdog story? Because everyone else bullies poor, defenseless Donnie, you feel bad for him?

I admit the media has painted a big target on Trump. Part of that is simply covering him. The press attacks him for lying, because he lies. The press attacks him for being a bully, because he's a bully. The press attacks him for carrying water for racists, because he carries water for racists. 

I'm not saying I want to buy what the left is selling. But the right is selling all-Trump all-day, and I look at what he's selling and I'm repulsed. There is no line that he crosses that they'll call him out on it. Anyone who dares is excommunicated, even accomplished folks with decades-long service careers like Mattis, Kelly, and Colin Powell.

I can't defend the silver spoon as an underdog. I don't get it.

I can’t believe you asked this?  Mr. Goldberg is the same one who claims Trump had many strokes on his hospital visit. I suppose you believe that one too right LOL.

and please stop defending the other slime. The fact is the perception of the degree of sliminess of Trump is directly correlated to those who have helped him build that reputation.

The media has played up Pelosi continually saying Trump is a science denier. Don’t just write off the fact that the highest ranking Democrat is the real science denier and a slimy piece of you know what. Just a few days ago she claimed he slapped science in the face while she was mask list and going into a business that she put out of business.
And then you have Cuomo, the media darling, who botched the pandemic by far worse than anyone and truly is directly responsible for many deaths. Some thing you accuse trump of. And he was clearly calling for violence. You don’t just get to write that off sorry

if people are going to bring stuff like that in to the forum then people are going to counter act that with facts. 
lastly please quit saying they’re not running for president. Don’t try convincing me and others that the guy with dementia that can’t complete a sentence is truly going to be the leader of the free world.

I haven't defended Pelosi and Cuomo.  I called them "slime."  That is not defending them.  I do not cite or quote them as evidence for anything about Donald Trump.  But--though you don't like hearing it--they aren't running for president.  Joe Biden is.
I believe that both Trump and Biden are suffering from dementia.  Neither of them can get through a complex presentation without making major flubs.

????  I mean I think Trump is in way over his head, but I'm not sure how linking a national story is "posting some bullshit"

According to HB, we're all to act as if we're White House interns.  We mustn't post anything even questioning the greatness of his royal highness, King Trump.

Well this totally renders your other answer is false. If you say he brings it on himself but you agree with the anarchist raising hell before he even took office it’s kind a hard to say he brought that out and isn’t it?  So yes that makes you and people like you the exact problem. If you don’t get your way on the political side your answer is violence and disruption.  And that’s what you do on this forum. You just can’t go a matter of minutes without having to come on here and throw flames at POTUS even though you know many people already agree with you and many people don’t and you’re not going to change anyone’s mind. 

Trump existed before he took office, friend.  I don't know what else to say about that.


Wow, I'm violent now?  That's news to me.  

So you're saying your defense of Trump is something akin to liking a good underdog story? Because everyone else bullies poor, defenseless Donnie, you feel bad for him?

I admit the media has painted a big target on Trump. Part of that is simply covering him. The press attacks him for lying, because he lies. The press attacks him for being a bully, because he's a bully. The press attacks him for carrying water for racists, because he carries water for racists.

I'm not saying I want to buy what the left is selling. But the right is selling all-Trump all-day, and I look at what he's selling and I'm repulsed. There is no line that he crosses that they'll call him out on it. Anyone who dares is excommunicated, even accomplished folks with decades-long service careers like Mattis, Kelly, and Colin Powell.

I can't defend the silver spoon as an underdog. I don't get it.

I usually appreciate things that you post but this time I’m gonna have to disagree with most of this. I never called him poor Donnie. That’s just you being bombastic and insulting.

do you think it’s all Trump all day and that’s what the rate is selling and you could not be further from the truth. People that like trump or will vote for him even if they don’t like him see him as the only thing standing between the far left agenda which seems to be rapidly taking over.

there are people that are not OK with employees allowing Black Lives Matter masks but not masks of the American flag. Lots of people are not OK with that.  Trump just happens to be the only one with the balls to stand up and say that that’s wrong.  Yes you’ll call him racist and divisive for saying that but you’re just wrong.  So it’s not that it’s about him as much as what he stands for relative to the left.

Wow... You really do think he's the underdog...

This is what I'm talking about with different realities. I literally cannot even fathom a world where that is the case.

People who believe in the Second Amendment, controlling our borders, law and order, fair trade deals, and not necessarily believe in choir long politicians are the underdog. He is horrible at it because it is horrible communication skills but he’s the only one speaking for those people.