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Cincydawg

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8358 on: September 04, 2020, 02:25:34 PM »
I wondered this last time, Trump clearly has a committed base.  I don't think Biden does.  His based is that he's not Trump.  I don't know if that works in an election.  I didn't know anyone who really thought Hillary would make a good President.  I'm sure they existed, but her "base" struck me as apathetic and lukewarm, except she was female and not DT.

Obama had a base.  My wine drinking friends were all out pounding the pavement for Obama.  Not a one of them volunteered for HRC.  Not a simple one.

We got invited to a wine drinking election party with some of them.  We chose not to go.  I think the party had an adverse ending.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8359 on: September 04, 2020, 02:27:01 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 04, 2020, 02:22:33 PM
As my vote means absolutely nothing, 
If your vote means absolutely nothing, who's vote means something?

The 2000 election came down to 537 votes in Florida. That's fewer than two votes per city.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8360 on: September 04, 2020, 02:30:32 PM »
I've said it before, voting is the opiate of the masses.  I would never vote again were I alone.  The wife finds is novel, I think, and she wants to be part of the system, so I tag along.  I believe firmly my vote means nothing at all except that I can say truthfully I never voted for either of the bastages.

Voting is how the Swamp creatures keep us all amused while the Tripartite Commission has the Gang of Eight force the UN to take our guns.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8361 on: September 04, 2020, 02:32:20 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 04, 2020, 02:25:34 PM
I wondered this last time, Trump clearly has a committed base.  I don't think Biden does.  His based is that he's not Trump.  I don't know if that works in an election.  I didn't know anyone who really thought Hillary would make a good President.  I'm sure they existed, but her "base" struck me as apathetic and lukewarm, except she was female and not DT.

Obama had a base.  My wine drinking friends were all out pounding the pavement for Obama.  Not a one of them volunteered for HRC.  Not a simple one.

We got invited to a wine drinking election party with some of them.  We chose not to go.  I think the party had an adverse ending.


I mostly agree. Trump's base really is his: they are people who believe in the Donald. Biden's base, such as it is, is the anti-Trump Democrats. They are much less Biden's, much more anti-Trump. H. Clinton's base was feeble, which was a problem for her. 

I think it's fair to say that the anti-Trump base is much more fired up now than it was in 2016. Evidence of that is how much the further left voters in the Democratic party have rallied to the cause. They weren't Clinton people, and they aren't Biden people, but they will be this year.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8362 on: September 04, 2020, 02:35:18 PM »
I am not convinced the Left is going all out to support Biden.  It's not just voting, it's a matter of pounding pavement as folks did for Obama.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8363 on: September 04, 2020, 02:35:37 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 04, 2020, 02:30:32 PM
I've said it before, voting is the opiate of the masses.  I would never vote again were I alone.  The wife finds is novel, I think, and she wants to be part of the system, so I tag along.  I believe firmly my vote means nothing at all except that I can say truthfully I never voted for either of the bastages.

Voting is how the Swamp creatures keep us all amused while the Tripartite Commission has the Gang of Eight force the UN to take our guns.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8364 on: September 04, 2020, 02:37:05 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 04, 2020, 02:35:18 PM
I am not convinced the Left is going all out to support Biden.  It's not just voting, it's a matter of pounding pavement as folks did for Obama.


Not all out, but much more so than last time. There won't be a big Jill Stein contingent, and there are plenty of left-wing activists setting aside their personal agenda to pound the pavement for Biden/Harris.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8365 on: September 04, 2020, 02:41:25 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on September 04, 2020, 01:43:51 PM
Opinions vary you have yours and others have theirs
The world would do a lot better listening to more of my opinions :96:

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on September 04, 2020, 01:50:57 PM
yes / we talk about all of those things, and invariably someone turns it into Trump bashing, not the other way around.  Take a closer look. It’s the same people.  And neither of them can even acknowledge the criticism on the left.  They just post random shit, or radical left opinions.
I just hope you delineate some of us from others. I can say that if you look at the "Trump bashing" that myself, CWS, SFBadge, BAB, Sam, etc do we can mostly back it up with reasoned opinion. There's obviously someone else here who does a lot of Trump bashing who thinks that if he is asked to justify his position it's beneath him.

I'm here to have a discussion. I am STRONGLY anti-Trump, but I'm not trying to "bash" him, more to call him out when he's doing something I consider deeply wrong, just as you call out Pelosi or Cuomo when you see them do something you consider deeply wrong.

I think it's mostly asymmetric, partly because Trump being POTUS means he's got a MUCH larger stage and a lot more attention on him than lesser pols, but also because Trump basically takes all the air out of a room and focuses everything on himself by design [that's how he got the nomination] so he becomes the topic more than lesser pols on the other side.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8366 on: September 04, 2020, 02:46:57 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 04, 2020, 11:00:15 AM
I remember talking with my parents on the phone and thinking they had Southern accents ....
I've lived in places with two distinct accents, one with a harder to place one, and one of those first two had a large representation from a third region with a lot of distinct accents. 

So at this point, this Californian only half hears them. It's pretty refreshing. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8367 on: September 04, 2020, 02:52:13 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on September 04, 2020, 02:27:01 PM
If your vote means absolutely nothing, who's vote means something?

The 2000 election came down to 537 votes in Florida. That's fewer than two votes per city.
With the electoral college, your vote only "means something" in battleground states. Here in California, we're not one of those. So whether or not I vote doesn't matter, nor does it matter who I vote for. The state is going for Biden. You can claim "well if everyone thought that way then Trump could win California", but people are predictable and everyone DOESN'T think that way--and not only that, both sides think that way, probably close to equally. Not enough in 2020 will change the way they think to put California in play. 

That said, I think this time @Cincydawg may not have noticed, but Georgia has pretty much become a battleground state instead of a solidly Red state. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8368 on: September 04, 2020, 02:53:54 PM »
My vote means nothing.  Statistically nothing, nada, technically perhaps something so immeasurably tiny that it may as well be nothing.  I could vote for a million years and not sway a national election.

I ain't voting for either of these two "candidates", take that to the bank.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8369 on: September 04, 2020, 02:54:15 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on September 04, 2020, 11:44:16 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-details-shooting-portland-michael-reinoehl

My condolences OAF. One of your heroes has been eliminated.  To his credit he did fire 40 or 50 rounds trying to take out law-enforcement.
This feels like a split the difference moment. On the one hand, the guy sounds like a shit. On the other, it turns out life isn't all that sacred. 

The "40 or 50 rounds" detail inspired some skepticism when I first read it because it said a pistol was recovered from him. But it appears that was edited out or I misread it. Will have to wait for some details there I suppose. No use jumping to too many conclusions. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8370 on: September 04, 2020, 02:58:40 PM »
Witnesses claimed 4o to 50 shots, which MIGHT be 15 from one mag.  They get excited about gun fire.  And some shots were coming the other way.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8371 on: September 04, 2020, 03:08:08 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on September 04, 2020, 01:44:55 PM
all it does is fire up his base
So the liberals actually lost?

When the lose they lose and when they win they lose, but there's also a lot of discussion about how the world isn't fair to the other side. It's almost like this is a ball of feelings and not much else. 
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