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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7882 on: August 31, 2020, 08:46:16 PM »
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7883 on: August 31, 2020, 08:47:08 PM »
I grew up in a union family as my dad was an electrician for local 524 out of Galveston

so I have a soft spot in my heart for unions

the only thing Id like to see is all municipal and teachers unions be abolished
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7884 on: August 31, 2020, 08:51:47 PM »
CW shes great maybe we could get the two of them together for a jam

Incidentally do you know what the piece was that she played 


I know I just wondered if you do

its for an all expenses paid trip to Brownsville Texas
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7885 on: August 31, 2020, 08:54:44 PM »
The government's Bureau of Labor Statistics disagrees with you.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/04/art2full.pdf

Even these guys, who "advance[] the principles of free market and limited governance" agree that union workers are paid more, though they think not by as much as pro-union people would have you believe. https://www.mackinac.org/22643
Does anyone think "quality" when they see "Proudly Made by Workers of the (Name the Union)" on a product?
I don't.  Every time I notice the little UAW sticker on my Mustang I think that Ford somehow managed to build a pretty good car despite its labor force.
I don't know if that's inherent to unions or just to American unions.  Unionized German workers seem to turn out pretty good cars, so maybe it's the latter.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7886 on: August 31, 2020, 09:03:12 PM »
My family is still in the early stages of this, but there are a few things I've observed. (1) Name recognition matters; (2) ability to fundraise matters (and many people determine whether someone is worth supporting based on whether they are capable fundraisers); (3) convincing taste makers to support you matters a lot (and this includes the local interest groups).

Some other things that are useful:
(A) independent wealth. There's a reason a lot of independently wealthy people are involved in politics: you need the time to dedicate to it without making any money, and it's sure useful to be able to kick in a bunch of your own money to jump start any campaign. I probably list this one first because we don't have it. We're comfortable, but not like a lot of the people who get into higher politics. But even from where we sit, SFIrish wouldn't be able to do what she's doing if I couldn't pay our bills on my salary.
(B) Articulate/Charismatic: people like voting for people who are "likable," which really means charismatic.
(C) Hard public policy work: numbers 1 and 3, above, often come about as a result of digging into public policy work in your locale. Working in government, including in the policy realm, is different from talking about politics. They are related, but plenty of people are capable of talking policy who aren't capable of making it.
(D) Attractive.
(E) Capable of dealing with a great deal of criticism and anger without letting it get to you. This is a part of public policy work that most people probably aren't accustomed to. Virtually any decision (from minimum wage, marijuana dispensaries, and property rights on the one hand, to tree removal and barking dogs on the other) generates ill will and animosity. And it shouldn't come as a surprise that more people reach out to their elected officials when they are angry than when they aren't. I think the ratio is probably about 100-1.

Our experience so far is that the local interest groups care about your record more than your rhetoric, and that there are plenty of people who work in those groups who value integrity more than following their directions on everything (though you will rarely get support from a group that you basically disagree with; shocking, I know).

And luck matters, too.


I suspect a great many more of the people in public office are qualified, honest, articulate, and smart--as well as financially secure, attractive, and lucky--than many people think. But there are some awfully crooked ones (as there are in any center of power), and they sure give a bad rap to the rest.
Hmmm.  I don't see anything about the parties running the show, ramrodding candidates down the throats of an unwilling populace.
Politicians are independent operators these days.  They pick parties that are useful to them, not the other way around, like in the bad old days of smoke-filled rooms.
And the ones best able to charm, or charge up, a crowd/mob, have the best shot at winning, other factors being equal.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7887 on: August 31, 2020, 09:15:16 PM »
Does anyone think "quality" when they see "Proudly Made by Workers of the (Name the Union)" on a product?
I don't.  Every time I notice the little UAW sticker on my Mustang I think that Ford somehow managed to build a pretty good car despite its labor force.
I don't know if that's inherent to unions or just to American unions.  Unionized German workers seem to turn out pretty good cars, so maybe it's the latter.

I would say a lot of that is stigma left from the height of powerful Unions, especially from the 60s, 70s, and 80s.  It's interesting, because the height of their power was really the darkest of their days, as corruption had rather strong stranglehold on a lot of them.

The key to Unions and Management is to keep the pendulum towards the middle.  When it swings too far in favor of one side, things get ugly.

That's what happened back then.  Organized crime controlled the largest and most powerful Unions.  The Unions that were in the news, and therefore became the face off all Unions.

Their handlers used tactics that consisted of unfair demand (to line their pockets), and strike if not agreed to.

So we have a situation where companies have to raise their prices above what should normally be expected to compensate the organized crime aspect of otherwise well intentioned Unions.

Regular customers are now paying high prices for a product that can't compete in the upper end side of the market.

So we label it as junk.

 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7888 on: August 31, 2020, 09:16:20 PM »
SFBadge explained the importance of Unions and why they are needed brilliantly.  You should really hear that reasoning out.

Public sector Unions are just as important, especially the safety related Unions.  Ensuring quality service is always a priority.  In that regard, they are ensuring that your tax money is being spent toward a better quality service.

As far as calling Unions "immoral", "past their prime", and "protect the lazy", you are being told lies and exaggerations.  The people in power are feeding you those thoughts through your news sources in an attempt to gut Unions.
As someone who has worked alongside public-sector union members (teachers) for the last 21 years, I can't agree with your second paragraph.  Quality service may be a priority, but it's a low one.  The #1 priority is to advance the pay, benefits, and working conditions of the members.  Next is to defend the members against any attempt by the school system to discipline or fire them.  And I can attest that school systems never even attempt such actions unless the performance or behavior has been really bad.  Somewhere down below comes the delivery of a quality product.  The union isn't against quality teaching, but it doesn't give it a high priority either.
And I've seen analyses from both ends of the political spectrum concluding that police unions are a major obstacle to any meaningful police reform.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7889 on: August 31, 2020, 09:19:52 PM »
CW shes great maybe we could get the two of them together for a jam

Incidentally do you know what the piece was that she played


I know I just wondered if you do

its for an all expenses paid trip to Brownsville Texas
I don't know.  It's an encore to Lizst's Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2.
Her name is Khatia Buniatishvili, BTW.
Do I at least get a discount ticket to visit Matamoros?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7890 on: August 31, 2020, 09:21:42 PM »
I would say a lot of that is stigma left from the height of powerful Unions, especially from the 60s, 70s, and 80s.  It's interesting, because the height of their power was really the darkest of their days, as corruption had rather strong stranglehold on a lot of them.

The key to Unions and Management is to keep the pendulum towards the middle.  When it swings too far in favor of one side, things get ugly.

That's what happened back then.  Organized crime controlled the largest and most powerful Unions.  The Unions that were in the news, and therefore became the face off all Unions.

Their handlers used tactics that consisted of unfair demand (to line their pockets), and strike if not agreed to.

So we have a situation where companies have to raise their prices above what should normally be expected to compensate the organized crime aspect of otherwise well intentioned Unions.

Regular customers are now paying high prices for a product that can't compete in the upper end side of the market.

So we label it as junk.
I agree with most of that.
I wouldn't say "junk."  Just overpriced for what you get.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7891 on: August 31, 2020, 09:31:43 PM »
I don't know.  It's an encore to Lizst's Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2.
Her name is Khatia Buniatishvili, BTW.
Do I at least get a discount ticket to visit Matamoros?
well actually that was Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2

so you get partial credit
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7892 on: August 31, 2020, 09:33:40 PM »
I grew up in a union family as my dad was an electrician for local 524 out of Galveston

so I have a soft spot in my heart for unions

the only thing Id like to see is all municipal and teachers unions be abolished
electrician and plumbing unions seem to have a better reputation
my Father staunchly supported his union, but I didn't think it was worth what he paid for
he admitted that the union was more needed and worked harder for his cause back in the 60's than it did in the 90's
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7893 on: August 31, 2020, 09:44:03 PM »
I've got a nephew who's a unionized electrician.  Seems to be working for him.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7894 on: August 31, 2020, 09:49:17 PM »
I've got a nephew who's a unionized electrician.  Seems to be working for him.
It put food on our table
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« Reply #7895 on: August 31, 2020, 10:10:03 PM »
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