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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7560 on: August 29, 2020, 04:40:53 PM »
so hes not a dictator?

thats good isnt it
No, it's not good.  Having a president who would like to be a dictator doesn't become a good thing just because he's not sharp enough to become one.
It's just less bad than it would be if he had an attention span longer than that of a goldfish.
He's got his finger on the nuclear button and yet he can't resist tweeting and retweeting stupid crap, including racist, alt-right, white-nationalist crap.
Conservatives/Republicans would be going through the roof if we had a Democrat in the White House doing and saying stupid, unethical, often borderline (if not outright) illegal stuff like Trump does.  But we're supposed to cheer and demand more of the same because he's "our" would-be dictator?
Imagine how you would have felt if 8 years ago someone had told you that he didn't trust any politician of either party except for Barack Obama, so whatever Barack Obama said, that was fine with him.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7561 on: August 29, 2020, 04:42:21 PM »

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7562 on: August 29, 2020, 04:51:08 PM »
No, it's not good.  Having a president who would like to be a dictator doesn't become a good thing just because he's not sharp enough to become one.
It's just less bad than it would be if he had an attention span longer than that of a goldfish.
He's got his finger on the nuclear button and yet he can't resist tweeting and retweeting stupid crap, including racist, alt-right, white-nationalist crap.
Conservatives/Republicans would be going through the roof if we had a Democrat in the White House doing and saying stupid, unethical, often borderline (if not outright) illegal stuff like Trump does.  But we're supposed to cheer and demand more of the same because he's "our" would-be dictator?
Imagine how you would have felt if 8 years ago someone had told you that he didn't trust any politician of either party except for Barack Obama, so whatever Barack Obama said, that was fine with him.
ok what has he done to make you think he wants to be a dictator?

what boarder line often illegal stuff are you talking about?

what racist white nationalist crap has he tweeted?

are you talking about the same Barack Obama who actually spied on the republican nominee?

pretty easy to use left talking points cause they really cant come up with examples either

you have a lot of built up animosity CW just take a deep breath and tell me what you are talking about

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7563 on: August 29, 2020, 04:53:12 PM »
History is cool
ok not trying to joust with you I just wanted to make sure your point didnt go over my head which is getting easier to do as the days go by
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7564 on: August 29, 2020, 05:06:37 PM »
not sure what you mean by the first line above
The line in question is this: "And the Republicans want the cheap labor, as the Chamber of Commerce orders."

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the hundreds of local Chambers of Commerce want a steady flow of cheap-immigrant workers.  They don't care about whether the immigrants are legal or not.  They need those cheap construction workers and landscapers and nannies and poolboys.

The Dems want reliable future voters while the Repubs want current cheap labor.  The Dems are smarter on this issue, as they will benefit politically in the long run.  But the Republicans--and Trump--talk tough about illegal immigrants so they can get votes today, alienating even legal immigrants in the process.  The GOP has positioned itself--deliberately or not--as not just opposed to illegal immigration, but as the anti-immigrant party.

Which is stupid, as immigrants are a big part of our future.  Republicans can work to make America more welcoming to them, and more willing to assimilate them, or they can do what they are doing under Trump and leave them to the Democrats, who will tell them that America sucks and the only way that immigrants can survive the bigoted, hateful mass of white Americans is to lash themselves to the Democrats' wagon.

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Polls have nothing to do with Trump they are from private sources mostly supported by MSM

I posted "Pols of both parties are in cahoots."

Pols are politicians.

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You object to a Pres saying he can solve a problem

CW it looks to me like you just dont like the guy which is fine there are folks out there I dont like either

Pelosi

talk about a dictator man she fits that description
Every politician says he can solve a problem.  Most of them, like Trump, can't deliver.
"Don't like the guy" is the least of the problem.  The future of the country is the problem.  I don't see any evidence that Donald Trump cares about the future of the country.  He cares about himself and his family.  His idiot children and children-in-law are lining up to take his place as arbiters of the GOP.
How is Pelosi a dictator?  She's been either the Speaker of the House or the Minority Leader of the House for the last 20 years, but she's never been in an executive position.  All she can do is influence legislation.  And she does.  And the result is usually bad from a conservative perspective.  But that doesn't make her a dictator or even a would-be dictator.  (I'm pretty sure that she's smarter than Trump, but that's not saying much.)
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7565 on: August 29, 2020, 05:10:43 PM »
The line in question is this: "And the Republicans want the cheap labor, as the Chamber of Commerce orders."

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the hundreds of local Chambers of Commerce want a steady flow of cheap-immigrant workers.  They don't care about whether the immigrants are legal or not.  They need those cheap construction workers and landscapers and nannies and poolboys.


isnt that where work visas come into play
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7566 on: August 29, 2020, 05:16:11 PM »

Every politician says he can solve a problem.  Most of them, like Trump, can't deliver.
"Don't like the guy" is the least of the problem.  The future of the country is the problem.  I don't see any evidence that Donald Trump cares about the future of the country.  He cares about himself and his family.  His idiot children and children-in-law are lining up to take his place as arbiters of the GOP.

again what has he done to make you feel this way

yes its very possible his children will carry on in politics so what children and spouses do this all the time
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7567 on: August 29, 2020, 05:17:56 PM »
if you dont see the harm Pelosi is doing to not only the dem party but the country as a whole then I dont think we have any common ground on this
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7568 on: August 29, 2020, 05:22:48 PM »
I’d say you are right but I don’t care.  I care about what politicians do from a policy standpoint.  My guess is Trump and Biden both have personal beliefs about certain issues that are closer to the center than the voting bases they are trying to cater to.
With most politicians, I care most about policy. Because I believe that most people who enter the office of the Presidency are remade by the enormous gravity of the office.

On policy, I preferred McCain/Romney to Obama. On policy, I preferred Bush/Dole to Clinton. But I believe that Obama and Clinton both were sincerely awed by the power of the office they held and tried to faithfully discharge the demands of that office. I believe they put America first, regardless of the fact that I had policy disagreements with them.

With Trump, I don't think that he puts America first. I think he puts Trump first. His tax "cut" was part of that. The limitation on SALT deductions was intended not because he thought those deductions were bad, but because he knew that they would punish blue states that didn't vote for him. I think he is profoundly horrible person and is unfit due to poor character for the office that he holds. I could agree with him 100% on policy and that would still be true. 

I don't like "lesser of two evils" voting, but when the difference between the two evils is so significant, I'm Ridin' with Biden. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7569 on: August 29, 2020, 05:25:58 PM »
you must have missed the dem convention

how badly Trump has handled the virus was the topic of the day

they had glee in their faces as they talked about it
I mean, at a convention, you put on a good face, say what you're going to do and crap on your opponent's policies. 

So if one were to imagine some critical election to attack an opponent on is "the greatest thing that ever happened to" the party in question, that would imply some of the greatest things to ever happen on the other side were:
-America not being "great" in 2015
-Lots of people in manufacturing losing their jobs
-Rioting and destruction of property in our present moment (even some of our folks here have said that might be an issue that could help the current president hold his post)
-People getting killed either by immigrants or in car accidents with immigrants 

These are all things people will aggressively leverage in a political sense. It does not make them the greatest thing that happened to one half of the political spectrum. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7570 on: August 29, 2020, 05:26:55 PM »
I'm Ridin' with Biden.
This reminds me of an old Daily Show joke that makes me most squeamish. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7571 on: August 29, 2020, 05:27:06 PM »
ok what has he done to make you think he wants to be a dictator?

what boarder line often illegal stuff are you talking about?

what racist white nationalist crap has he tweeted?

are you talking about the same Barack Obama who actually spied on the republican nominee?

pretty easy to use left talking points cause they really cant come up with examples either

you have a lot of built up animosity CW just take a deep breath and tell me what you are talking about
320: Where have you been for the last 4 years?
Do you not know that there have been six of Trump's very close associates convicted of felonies, mostly for things they did in service to him?  (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-associates-prison-faced-criminal-charges/story?id=68358219)
Did you not follow his attempts to get Ukraine to "produce" some dirt on Biden under penalty of losing the air defense weapons we had previously agreed to provide? (https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/15/trump-resisted-ukraine-sale-javelin-antitank-missile/)
Have you not heard of his retweets of racist/alt-right/Holocaust-denier tweets?
(https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-trump-retweets-right-wing-activist-associated-with-white-nationalist-group-1.8852355)
(https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42166663)
(https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/04/trump-retweets-conspiracy-theorists-far-right-figures-after-facebook-bans.html)
(https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-retweets-infowars-and-a-far-right-personality-2019-5)
What's your point about Obama?  I asked you if someone spoke of Obama in the same worshipful, see-no-evil tones that many Trump supporters use when describing their guy, what you would think, and you responded with a rhetorical question.
You know, I've asked you flat out more than once if you would like a dictator in the White House as long as the dictator was someone like Trump.  You have not responded to that question.  May I assume that your answer is "yes"?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7572 on: August 29, 2020, 05:27:56 PM »
Oil production would go way down
Is the worry here about oil in the context of geopolitical conflict or about the jobs tied up in oil? 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7573 on: August 29, 2020, 05:29:49 PM »
if you dont see the harm Pelosi is doing to not only the dem party but the country as a whole then I dont think we have any common ground on this
I finally see how this works.
You ask me questions, and I do my best to answer them.
I ask you questions, and you tell me that if I can't see the answer then there's nothing you can do to clue me in.
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