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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7420 on: August 28, 2020, 07:51:39 PM »
That also is not a policy change, or procedure change, or real change.  What can a city council DO here?
Sorry my response was to someone coughing up a fur ball on the other page
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7421 on: August 28, 2020, 07:55:40 PM »
Not to mention, politicians already lean extremely heavily into the donation market - not sure that has been a beneficial development.
I'm not either.
But it was an effect of ending the "spoils system."
I'm not sure how widely that effect was understood when the Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act--starting the process of professionalizing the civil service--was passed in 1883.
Sometimes you clean up one mess and create another in the process.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7422 on: August 28, 2020, 07:57:33 PM »
LOL
A wide swath of people who would bestow, "he was a good Christian man" on someone as a compliment are about to vote Donald Trump for president a second time.

The absolute nicest thing I can say about them is that I've got to assume they simply don't know what the word 'hypocrite' means.  For if they allow a single issue to toss all of their piousness out the window, they are indeed in need of saving. 

It's disgusting.
Say would you have the Troll toll free phone number and address to state board of education - asking for a friend
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7423 on: August 28, 2020, 07:59:13 PM »
Folks who are virulently against abortion are not going to vote for Biden.  Among the real differences a President can make, and there aren't all that many really, are judicial appointments.  They would vote for the Devil if he appointed anti-abortion Justices


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7424 on: August 28, 2020, 07:59:18 PM »
I'm not either.
But it was an effect of ending the "spoils system."
I'm not sure how widely that effect was understood when the Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act--starting the process of professionalizing the civil service--was passed in 1883.
Sometimes you clean up one mess and create another in the process.
Very interesting not something I'd thought about before

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7425 on: August 28, 2020, 08:02:52 PM »
One man’s “ progress” is another man’s regression.

I don’t want your version of “progress”.   

I wish we had a real choice.  Not two horror shows.
I wish that too.  Our two great political parties have served us up a big turd and a smaller turd.
We can argue about which is which.
I recommend this opinion piece about how and why the parties are nominating such lousy candidates.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/12/too-much-democracy-is-bad-for-democracy/600766/
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7426 on: August 28, 2020, 08:05:07 PM »
I had a cousin who did a lot of research on great gramps but he's no longer around and the family didn't hang on to or lost things he researched.Military Historians say Johnston would have been a great one had he survived.Unlike that fiery preacher Polk Sherman's Army killed or Bragg who both appeared to be political appointees
Heh!  This military historian says that Albert Sidney Johnston was overrated.  ;)
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7427 on: August 28, 2020, 08:08:01 PM »
The chasm of importance between them was the point.  Lost.
well, it obviously wasn't lost on me
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7428 on: August 28, 2020, 08:12:17 PM »
Just to throw out their I am solidly pro-choice and I think efforts to incarcerate women and doctors over abortion are evil.
Do you think that a baby is a human being at some point prior to the doctor slapping its bottom?
Partial-birth abortion is rare, and babies surviving the partial-birth abortion only to be left to die in the sink is even rarer.  But they happen.  That are at the very limit of what "pro-choice" means.  But they happen.
Do you support those measures?
I will stipulate that there are hard questions for pro-lifers like me to answer, and that for some of those questions I don't have good answers.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7429 on: August 28, 2020, 08:12:34 PM »
Heh!  This military historian says that Albert Sidney Johnston was overrated.  ;)
Hey he took one for the team and according to Shelby Foote his staff Surgeon was treating Union casualties
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7430 on: August 28, 2020, 08:35:39 PM »
Is there a thing, or things, that could be changed wherein the protesters would say "OK, that's great, we're done protesting."

Anybody know what it might be, specifically (as opposed to something vague like "Justice", I don't know what that means.)

The events being protested are local issues (perhaps Fed agents in Portland excepted).  This isn't about national policy or government, it's about local policing.

What needs to change?
perhaps the Kenosha police chief and city council could implement changes....

disband the police union 

body cameras required while on duty

officers involved in shootings automatic 2 weeks suspension with or w/o pay

all shooting incidents go to independent review

hard published (to the public) reasons to deploy a weapon and to discharge or fire a weapon

as Badger has suggested - monthly meetings attended by community leaders, police administration, city council member,  and others as needed.

I'm sure there are many others........

protestors should be required to submit a list of demands - they need to be involved and have thoughts on the matter, not just emotion and frustration
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7431 on: August 28, 2020, 08:41:23 PM »
It's just my personal pet peeve, because 99% of the time there is no functional difference between a republic and democracy and people say there is mostly as a justification to prevent people from participating.  Carry on, good sir.

Of course words have definitions.  That's why it's dumb to claim shooting or locking them in a cage someone is actually nonviolent, and also silly to claim we don't live in a democracy because we live in a republic.
Sam:

Democracy and Republic are not synonyms.  They are not almost synonyms.  They are two different things.
A democracy focuses on people making the laws.  The greater percentage of the people who vote, the more democratic a democracy is.  The classical Athenian democracy is not one we would consider very democratic at all, as only a small minority of people were able to vote.  Voter turnout was often high, though.
A monarchy could be a democracy.  Great Britain has one.
A republic focuses on representatives of the people making the laws for them.  (And there not being a monarch.)  It is not necessary (in a republic) that the people directly elect those representatives.  The representatives could be chosen in a number of ways.  The state could put the office up for bid, and the highest bidder would win.  (A nice addendum would be that he would have to help fund the government with his personal wealth.)  They could be chosen by lot, or, today, by random generation of SSANs.  They could be chosen by the leaders of the polity one echelon below the offices in question.  They could be chosen by election, with the lowest vote-getters "winning."
You could have a republic that was very democratic or you could have one that is not recognizably democratic at all.
We are a republic that is quite democratic.  ("A democracy in a republic," as I remember from some 6th-grade patriotic celebration.)  Some would like it to be more democratic.  Others, not so much.
I think that we would not go wrong if we did not equate "democratic" and "good."  (Just as I think we would not go wrong if we did not equate "Republican" or "Democrat" with "good.")  Democracies have produced some pretty bad results, like electing Adolf Hitler to power in 1933.  And electing the pathetic French leaders whom he conquered so easily in 1940.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7432 on: August 28, 2020, 08:44:45 PM »
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep arguing over what's for dinner.
I don't think Franklin added this, but I've seen, "And liberty is when the sheep is armed so that he can contest the vote."
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7433 on: August 28, 2020, 08:47:39 PM »
What should society do with bad guys who are a danger to society?

Serve them tea and cookies and just ask them to stop?

If you want to call it violent to lock somebody up that robs a bank then so be it

they still need to be locked up
Is there an alternative to incarceration?  Flogging, perhaps?  Being placed in the stocks?  Being branded on the forehead with "T" for "thief"?  Working on highway roadsides until the debt is repaid?
Just trying to think outside the box.
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