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bayareabadger

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6874 on: August 26, 2020, 02:14:04 PM »
How many drivers to police shoot every year for a routine traffic violation?

What percentage of stops end in a shooting when the only issue is a traffic violation?


Few and few. 

But then again, a tiny percentage of traffic stops end with the police in any danger. None the less, those few inform behavior in an outsized way. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6875 on: August 26, 2020, 02:15:44 PM »
OK. So the follow up would be, does the insurance cover riots or civil unrest?

If it doesn't, it's a moot point. If it does, it means someones drive for rhetorical flourish put these businesses in bad spots. I'm trying to understand if it's the former or the latter.
No. Riots are an act of terrorism.

I don't know WTF civil unrest is, but I know I'm civil and I'm unrested. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6876 on: August 26, 2020, 02:16:08 PM »
How many exceptions until it's a rule?



For a white person, a traffic stop endangers your wallet.
For a black person, a traffic stop endangers your life. 
Not true. Like, not true at all.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6877 on: August 26, 2020, 02:18:00 PM »
I would expect that a sizable segment of the looters will be discouraged from looting going forward, now that they know that a few of the town folk are willing to stand up to them.
I wish it were so. 

But it seems the shooter was there for the fight rather than town folk, and Americans of all sorts don't like to back down when it's probably wise. Might end up with some protesters ready to defend themselves from other out of towners. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6879 on: August 26, 2020, 02:19:51 PM »
The SC situation was pretty clearly very bad on the cop's part, but I didn't notice anything to make me think the cop wanted to shoot a black person that day.  The driver might have been white and had the same thing happen.  And as noted, this is from 8 years ago.  I don't fault the driver for that either.  It's certainly a good idea to avoid reaching for anything when a cop if interacting with you without explaining your actions, but it's not "required" in any sense.

So, even this situation is rare. 

As for cops pointing guns at people more frequently now, that's just a baseless allegation.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6880 on: August 26, 2020, 02:19:53 PM »
Comparing apples to Oldsmobile's.

I don't know of any pizza delivery drivers that openly carry with the authority to arrest you.
Right. That's my point. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6881 on: August 26, 2020, 02:20:36 PM »
https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/investigations/data-shows-phoenix-police-pulled-pointed-guns-at-450-people-in-one-month

Holding people at gunpoint is fairly common in some situations, especially if an officer thinks a gun might be present.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/video-shows-black-children-held-023714399.html
Has this increased over time, as you claimed?

Does it happen?  Duh.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6882 on: August 26, 2020, 02:21:32 PM »
Few and few.

But then again, a tiny percentage of traffic stops end with the police in any danger. None the less, those few inform behavior in an outsized way.
Unfortunately for all of us, including the police, they are extremely on edge now. They have to approach any stop under the assumption that they are in harm's way. Tough job that not too many want right now. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6883 on: August 26, 2020, 02:22:26 PM »
He made a motion that was misunderstood, it's not routine when that happens.  This isn't hard to understand.

The police pull you over for speeding and simply shoot you without any basis at all except you're black.

Do police make mistakes?  Obviously, they do.  In the above case, the individual made a motion that is NOT routine.
Cincy, I don't mean to be rude, but if even the slightest thing that could lead to a shooting makes it not routine, then of course no routine stops end in shootings. I mean, a shooting at all makes it not routine.

It also speaks to one of the issues. Life is messy. People are messy. Cops are even sometimes messy. But they are also given a measure of control that something needs to be exactly routine, and if it's not, deadly force is quickly involved. 

To take it another way, if any not routine movements make the stop not routine, we probably have many fewer routine stops. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6884 on: August 26, 2020, 02:23:23 PM »
I wish it were so.

But it seems the shooter was there for the fight rather than town folk, and Americans of all sorts don't like to back down when it's probably wise. Might end up with some protesters ready to defend themselves from other out of towners.
They are not this. Almost everyone is not from here, FYI.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6885 on: August 26, 2020, 02:25:30 PM »
Cincy, I don't mean to be rude, but if even the slightest thing that could lead to a shooting makes it not routine, then of course no routine stops end in shootings. I mean, a shooting at all makes it not routine.
You're not being rude at all.  I was trying to consider a "routine" traffic stop as one without any provocation or misunderstood behaviors, where the cop just opened fire because he didn't like black people.

But I'm fine if we include this one as one example.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6886 on: August 26, 2020, 02:26:32 PM »
Has this increased over time, as you claimed?

Does it happen?  Duh.
I said it had become common and accepted. Which it has.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6887 on: August 26, 2020, 02:26:38 PM »
You're not being rude at all.  I was trying to consider a "routine" traffic stop as one without any provocation or misunderstood behaviors, where the cop just opened fire because he didn't like black people.

But I'm fine if we include this one as one example.
I think the issue is the bolded is a very wide category.

 

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