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Topic: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness

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bwarbiany

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6342 on: August 11, 2020, 12:00:02 PM »
Yes, and I also used the most extreme example for poor whites. I did this in order to illustrate that it is a class issue, and not a race issue. Thank you for noticing.

I also never once claimed that institutional racism doesn't exist. It does, but not in the way that we are told that it does. It is in the form of Affirmative action. Hence the reason that that's the only example that any of you could come up with of a United States law that behooves one group of people over another, based solely on skin color.
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The Brookings Institute did a study and found that by following 3 simple rules, people can assure themselves they will not live in poverty. Graduate High School, get a full time job and wait until age 21 to get married and have children. That is NOT that hard to do and it is NOT exclusive to white people.


Truth is that's hard for black people in poverty and it's hard for white people in poverty. It's ALWAYS hard for people to reach out of what they're in when they're surrounded by bad examples. 

25.8% of blacks are impoverished, while 11.6% of whites are impoverished.

I'm saying that 400 years of history of slavery to jim crow/segregation to disparate policing / war on drugs to just plain flat out white racism is a BIG reason why the black poverty rate is >2x that of whites. Institutional racism means that they're in a deeper hole than whites are. So it's a harder climb out of it. All I'm asking is that you recognize that.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6343 on: August 11, 2020, 12:01:13 PM »

Do you, Sam, have thoughts about why there's a higher rate of criminal conviction for black defendants?  Is it because they're black, or because they're likely to be poor and therefore unable to afford good attorneys?  Or both?
I do have thoughts.  One is the sociological angle, which is when you segregate people into impoverished areas, then spend a lot of money to police and incarcerate them, you create a pretty difficult environment for people.  As far as convictions on an individual basis, certainly having money helps, though most people charged with crimes aren't going to have a lot of money.  However, there tend to be more ways to avoid the system if you are in the suburbs.  For example, here in Columbus a suburb school is much less likely to refer school incidents to the police and/or the justice system compared to Columbus Public.  Suburb kids will have more alternatives to have the case diverted compared to city school kids.  

I always had an anecdotal thought which is hopefully nonpolitical.  People told some stories about Mitt Romney pulling "pranks" which more or less amounted to bullying some kid by holding him down and cutting his hair.  Romney by many accounts is a nice guy and just did some dumb things as a kid.  But the chances are a lot higher that some black kid holding down someone and cutting his hair is charged with a crime and described as a monster.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6344 on: August 11, 2020, 12:01:33 PM »
I have to imagine if you told every kneeling NBA players about your boycott their reactions would probably go something like this.

Thats fine capitalism at work is fine with me cause Im not alone on this

and another thing get that stupid BLM logo off the court floor while youre at it

Black Lives Matter is a self proclaimed Markist organization and does the Black protesters a disservice 

When I watch a sporting event I dont want to be lectured to





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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6345 on: August 11, 2020, 12:01:48 PM »
How often?  Too often.  And that goes for white folks too.  There are too many bad police shootings.
The police are not punished in proportion to their misdeeds.  Police unions are part of the problem.  SCOTUS-created police immunity is another part of it.
I would argue that A) there are too many police shootings, and B) Data on officer-involved shootings has been, and remains, hard to get. Until law enforcement is compelled to honestly come forth with information, this will continue to be the case. And it's hard to draw good conclusions without good source information (GIGO).

The Mapping Police Violence Project compiles several crowdfunded searchers with some of their own.

https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

The Washington Post has been combing the news wires since 2015 to try to establish the scale of police-involved shootings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6346 on: August 11, 2020, 12:05:55 PM »
Question is how many times does ths occur in a year.
The Mapping Police Violence project has an average of 1,095 deaths per year since the start of 2013. It's also a really tight spread (low 1050, high 1143).

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6347 on: August 11, 2020, 12:06:24 PM »
how often are black folks killed by police wrongly?  are the the police punished for it?

he did resist...
FYI I mentioned this as being an acute symptom of a wider disease. The disease is disparate policing. The other issues usually don't rise to the level of creating national protests, but don't act like they don't exist.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6348 on: August 11, 2020, 12:11:22 PM »

so, if we guess there are 328 million folks in the USA, about 1,000 killed
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6349 on: August 11, 2020, 12:14:34 PM »
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6350 on: August 11, 2020, 12:16:22 PM »
The Mapping Police Violence project has an average of 1,095 deaths per year since the start of 2013. It's also a really tight spread (low 1050, high 1143).
how many unjustified

there are 18,000 municipalities and 800,000 policemen if the US

considering they police 340,000,000 people the 1,095 number is not alarming by itself

give the stats on the breakdown of the 1,095 number race, justified etc

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6351 on: August 11, 2020, 12:23:28 PM »
how many unjustified

there are 18,000 municipalities and 800,000 policemen if the US

considering they police 340,000,000 people the 1,095 number is not alarming by itself

give the stats on the breakdown of the 1,095 number race, justified etc
Regardless of "justification" which isn't always the highest bar to clear, might we ask why we're 3.5x on a population-adjusted level over Canada and Australia, and why we're >10x as high as most of Europe?

What is unique about America that police are killing so many more people than other "comparable" countries? 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6352 on: August 11, 2020, 12:45:26 PM »
Regardless of "justification" which isn't always the highest bar to clear, might we ask why we're 3.5x on a population-adjusted level over Canada and Australia, and why we're >10x as high as most of Europe?

What is unique about America that police are killing so many more people than other "comparable" countries?

that says it all right there
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6353 on: August 11, 2020, 12:51:08 PM »
that says it all right there

Yes, the fact that you conveniently ignored everything else in that post does say it all. Hmmm...
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6354 on: August 11, 2020, 12:54:03 PM »
Yes, the fact that you conveniently ignored everything else in that post does say it all. Hmmm...
if the police were justified then thats sufficient
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6355 on: August 11, 2020, 12:59:55 PM »
if the police were justified then thats sufficient
If the government decides that a government official killing someone is justified then that's it. I forget is that a right wing position or a left wing position?

 

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