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Oh, and I think it obvious no national candidate would spend any time in Montana before an election.  He might drop a few ads there, maybe.

And a local issue like is probably something they can sort of locally without Federal "help".

You are missing the point entirely. Someone living within their means is commendable and what everyone should do. However, a lot of stupid people want everything under the sun and shit they can't afford and then expect to get a Benz or BMW for the price of a Kia and act like morons when you tell them they can't afford what they are asking for.

Who said anything about taking advantage of anyone? Non-cheap people are not there to be taken advantage of. They are there to do business with, and make money with.

You are conflating a bunch of shit, and misinterpreting completely what I was saying.

Fight for your money. That's great. But don't be one of those stupid poor, cheap dumbasses that thinks they can get a Benz or BMW for the price of a Kia. Can't fix stupid.

Well I asked what you meant by "cheap" because it spans kind of a range of behaviors. The answer didn't provide clarity. I assumed it came from a personal interaction, and was hoping you'd explain it, at which point, we'd probably agree. 

My natural inclination is to be "cheap." When I was younger, it rankled me when we split bills and I ate cheaper and paid the same. I don't particularly lake trading rounds at a bar. It feels unnatural to me. Now part of my adulthood is battling past that Controlling my feelings, not letting them get in the way of social situations (sometimes maturity is spending $7 extra bucks to not have to strain a relationship).

Now if you go in trying to by a BMW or Benz for KIA prices, well you won't get a Benz or BMW and will annoy the people selling them. And if you tell your friends you want to do that, you're either projecting your ignorance or have some secret backdoor, which I can't 100 percent rule out. 

Some of this came to mind on a homer board discussion about the booster club. Basically rich booster would come up with some kind of excuse why something was wrong and they should get a perk or money back or whatever. And that's cheap in my mind. But those people also have money and I'm betting it's in part because they don't mind being shitty to people over it. It's like when people suggest life hacks and often the hack is just being a jerk and reaping the benefits of others' social graces.

I am going to Brooklyn in under 2 weeks lol. I'm leaving the 20th actually. Brooklyn has some nice gentrified areas- one of which I am going to. It's still very expensive there, but considerably cheaper than Manhattan, and while the newly rebuilt gentrified areas are very clean and nice, there are still plenty of areas in Brooklyn that aren't exactly nice and you wouldn't want to wonder into late at night.

Manhattan on the other hand is just on another level. I love it. Just stupid expensive.

Isn't Harlem in Manhattan? 

Oh I quite agree they would spend more time in larger population centers. But right now there is zero incentive to spend any time in Montana, while under a popular vote there is a greater than zero incentive. Also, for Christ's sake there should be incentive for the parties to campaign in California. Only in America can we ignore a huge swathe of the population.

What I'm saying is that right now they spend almost no attention on Montana and none on California. If you change to a popular vote, they'll still not spend any attention on Montana. They'll just shift their attention from the "battleground states" to California.

California is a homeless, rat-infested shithole. 27% of the countries homeless live in California. No thanks.

We should put that into our marketing materials. 

"Our weather is so perfect, people will even be homeless to live here!"

Seriously, though, while homelessness can be a problem anywhere, if you're going to do it, might as well do it in California. Less chance of freezing to death than doing so in Minneapolis. 

My natural inclination is to be "cheap." When I was younger, it rankled me when we split bills and I ate cheaper and paid the same. I don't particularly lake trading rounds at a bar. It feels unnatural to me. Now part of my adulthood is battling past that Controlling my feelings, not letting them get in the way of social situations (sometimes maturity is spending $7 extra bucks to not have to strain a relationship).

We have two friend groups between my wife and I. 

My two college friends that lived in San Diego and moved away last year, and their wives, are basically a "split the bill evenly" group. Because when we go out to dinner, we know that we're all going to order a decent entree, we're all going to drink, and none of us are sweating our rent / mortgage / car payment each month. We were all two-income households, and two of the husbands are engineers while the third is a construction superintendent. If there's some sort of wide divergence, such as when we were all together for my friend's wife's baby shower [and therefore she couldn't drink], we'll typically do something like splitting the check evenly [to make it easy for the server] and have the low-cost party pay zero tip while the others overload tip to try to even it out. 

My wife's friends are a little different. Literally they'll split up the check, and one of them always has post-it notes and a pen to wrap around each person's card with how much each should pay (which at the very least is nice for the server). If my college buddies were like that, I wouldn't go out to dinner with them. But with my wife's friends, it's a lot different. We're NOT all in the same SES group. The ones who want to throw out the post-its are the least economically well-off, and one of them doesn't drink at all. So I'm not offended. When we go out with them my wife and I will often order more expensive meals AND we'll be drinking, so splitting the bill evenly would be patently unfair to the person who is least capable of shouldering the extra burden. 

What pisses me off is people who are "cheap" in the sense that they nickel and dime things when they're $10 and $20 people. 

Like this scene from "I'm Gonna Git You Sucka"...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgHcYxKjwVE

 It's like when people suggest life hacks and often the hack is just being a jerk and reaping the benefits of others' social graces.

My life improved a lot once I realized many jerks do this...and I simply didn't let them.  They prey on the rest of society being polite.  I don't cause an incident with those types, I just let them know I won't be preyed on that way.  

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