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LOL well what is the hogwash?  That Republicans cater to white people?  Look at the polls, and their rhetoric, it's not something they really try to hide.  That demographics are moving against this strategy?  Texas and Georgia are looking at being tossup states.  That once you get past race Republicans can offer something to people who aren't white?

It wasn't that long ago that Republicans offered non-whites an opportunity society not depended on government handouts/government dependency.  Even George W. Bush got a reasonable percentage of the Hispanic vote.  And, of course, Cuban-Americans have long voted Republican because Democrats were soft on Communism.

Unfortunately, that party--the Cold War-winning party of Ronald Reagan--went off the rails--8 years of softball media coverage of Barack Obama after 8 years of the media criticizing George W. Bush every time he opened his mouth contributed to that, but that's no excuse--and now we have a Trumpified Republican party where what is being sold is the Flight 93 scenario, "owning the libs," and "these the people aren't real Americans."

Kevin Williamson of National Review wrote a year or two ago that the Trump Party's desired median voter is a chicken farmer in Oklahoma, and that that is no way to build a national governing coalition.  He was right, as the GOP will discover in November.

And then it will be the Democrats controlling the White House and probably both houses of Congress, and that will not be an improvement.  Genuine small-government, classical liberal, John-Locke-and-Adam-Smith Republicans (those who are left) lose either way.

where have you been

were you around in 2016

the purpose is to win over uncommitted voters and to try to convince republican voters to stay home

Why wouldn't that convince more republicans to come out and lead uncommitted voters to think it was a foregone conclusion and they didn't need to vote?

If 2016 was the model, why would they do it again? This doesn't make any sense.

It wasn't that long ago that Republicans offered non-whites an opportunity society not depended on government handouts/government dependency.  Even George W. Bush got a reasonable percentage of the Hispanic vote.  And, of course, Cuban-Americans have long voted Republican because Democrats were soft on Communism.

Unfortunately, that party--the Cold War-winning party of Ronald Reagan--went off the rails--8 years of softball media coverage of Barack Obama after 8 years of the media criticizing George W. Bush every time he opened his mouth contributed to that, but that's no excuse--and now we have a Trumpified Republican party where what is being sold is the Flight 93 scenario, "owning the libs," and "these the people aren't real Americans."

Kevin Williamson of National Review wrote a year or two ago that the Trump Party's desired median voter is a chicken farmer in Oklahoma, and that that is no way to build a national governing coalition.  He was right, as the GOP will discover in November.

And then it will be the Democrats controlling the White House and probably both houses of Congress, and that will not be an improvement.  Genuine small-government, classical liberal, John-Locke-and-Adam-Smith Republicans (those who are left) lose either way.

Oh I don’t think that is an accurate depiction of POTUS is 2016 targeted voter. 
we tend to confuse cause and effect.
I think a lot of middle-class Americans who were typically Democrats switched over. Likely just that one time but they did it.

they always talk about Macomb county Michigan as a bellwether. Middle to upper middle class predominantly white, mostly educated in two income families. Staunchly democratic but went against the Democrats in 16.  Hardly pig farmers.  Well this is a very sweeping generalization, POTUS one and 16 for a variety of unique reasons. I think Americans were tired of the prior presidents “leading from behind“ and his foreign policy of appeasement. Secondly the level of political correctness, what we today call the woke culture, was over the top. Lastly at that time the choice was between a career politician who was very unpopular to begin with in a Washington outsider. 

this election will be completely different. But you’re forgetting the huge thing here and that is that the pandemic is what has probably brought POTUS down because without it he was definitely winning again. 

Nice theory about the pig farmers though.

Maybe we Should I suggest solutions to the issues of the day.

That might be tough for certain people who have spent most of their time in certainly the last four years on a policy of not so constructive criticism, but no ideas of their own

So who supports Bernie’ s propose 60% tax on billionaires.  Zucjerburg would pay 27.5 billion. Or was it Elon Musk?

Either way I personally think it’s a horrible idea, and really moves the needle towards complete socialist government.  I also think it would just be the beginning of the end of any form of meritocracy.  

Oh I don’t think that is an accurate depiction of POTUS is 2016 targeted voter. 
we tend to confuse cause and effect.
I think a lot of middle-class Americans who were typically Democrats switched over. Likely just that one time but they did it.

they always talk about Macomb county Michigan as a bellwether. Middle to upper middle class predominantly white, mostly educated in two income families. Staunchly democratic but went against the Democrats in 16.  Hardly pig farmers.  Well this is a very sweeping generalization, POTUS one and 16 for a variety of unique reasons. I think Americans were tired of the prior presidents “leading from behind“ and his foreign policy of appeasement. Secondly the level of political correctness, what we today call the woke culture, was over the top. Lastly at that time the choice was between a career politician who was very unpopular to begin with in a Washington outsider. 

this election will be completely different. But you’re forgetting the huge thing here and that is that the pandemic is what has probably brought POTUS down because without it he was definitely winning again. 

Nice theory about the pig farmers though.

"Chicken farmers" is what I posted.  But maybe Williamson wrote "pig farmers."  Memory is fallible.
POTUS was occasionally leading in some pre-COVID polls, but mostly not.  He had a good chance, but it was no slam-dunk.

In 2016 the polls were largely correct nationally, with Trump's election based on geographic tricks that made some voter's vote count more than others.

And people are afraid Trump won’t leave office when he loses LOL. More fake news. People are still whining about 2016