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847badgerfan

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5530 on: August 02, 2020, 02:56:11 PM »
The electoral college is one of the reasons why our states are united as a republic.

Get rid of that, and it's over. Illinois, California, New York, New Jersey, Texas, Florida and a few others. 

That's about all that would matter. Wyoming may as well just not exist.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5531 on: August 02, 2020, 03:00:52 PM »
The electoral college is one of the reasons why our states are united as a republic.

Get rid of that, and it's over. Illinois, California, New York, New Jersey, Texas, Florida and a few others.

That's about all that would matter. Wyoming may as well just not exist.
This is wrong. For one, Wyoming doesn't exist as it is, because it has minimal electoral votes and almost always votes Republican. There is no reason for either candidate to campaign there. Getting rid of the electoral college means there is a reason to campaign there, and pay attention to what the voters want.

For two, states already have senators, which represent a state's interests. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5532 on: August 02, 2020, 03:11:22 PM »
This is wrong. For one, Wyoming doesn't exist as it is, because it has minimal electoral votes and almost always votes Republican. There is no reason for either candidate to campaign there. Getting rid of the electoral college means there is a reason to campaign there, and pay attention to what the voters want.

For two, states already have senators, which represent a state's interests.
I don't this country run completely by the coastal large cities, most of which are a disaster.

The two senators from Illinois didn't represent my personal interests. That's why I'm gone.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5533 on: August 02, 2020, 03:14:09 PM »
I don't this country run completely by the coastal large cities, most of which are a disaster.

The two senators from Illinois didn't represent my personal interests. That's why I'm gone.
Ok. The electoral college promotes elections being swing towards a small portion of the electorate. It's promoting the things you hate.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5534 on: August 02, 2020, 03:15:39 PM »
Whether it's good or bad, we have it, and it won't change, so why worry about it?

I imagine had the pop vote/EC thing favored the other party, the other party would be now clamoring for its demise.  Not that it matters.

Not going to change.  This isn't a democracy.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5535 on: August 02, 2020, 03:16:45 PM »
It only matters for the President of course, and we're not talking about a SMALL portion of the electorate.

Our FFs feared a pure democracy as much as a monarchy.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5536 on: August 02, 2020, 03:17:25 PM »
Whether it's good or bad, we have it, and it won't change, so why worry about it?

I imagine had the pop vote/EC thing favored the other party, the other party would be now clamoring for its demise.  Not that it matters.

Not going to change.  This isn't a democracy.
Well not with that attitude. Though lots of things that will never change eventually changed so I figure what's one more?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5537 on: August 02, 2020, 03:19:18 PM »
Well not with that attitude. Though lots of things that will never change eventually changed so I figure what's one more?

I have a much much lower appreciation for the influence of "my attitude" than you apparently.  I just don't waste energy pining for things that won't happen, like replacing Pelosi or whatever else.

The barrier to replacing the EC is simply too high, so it won't happen in my lifetime.  So, I don't worry about it.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5538 on: August 02, 2020, 03:20:24 PM »
I have a much much lower appreciation for the influence of "my attitude" than you apparently.  I just don't waste energy pining for things that won't happen, like replacing Pelosi or whatever else.

The barrier to replacing the EC is simply too high, so it won't happen in my lifetime.  So, I don't worry about it.
Definitely not asking you to worry about it.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5539 on: August 02, 2020, 03:23:46 PM »
Definitely not asking you to worry about it.
You seem disdainful of my "attitude".  My attitude is not to worry about it.  Make up your mind.

That worries me.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5540 on: August 02, 2020, 03:32:16 PM »
You seem disdainful of my "attitude".  My attitude is not to worry about it.  Make up your mind.

That worries me.
You do have kind of defeatist attitude, which honestly is pretty common anymore in this country. We "can't" do a Heck of a lot of things. The current thing we can't possibly do is have people voting by mail. The electoral college is a relic that really doesn't make any sense. We can't do anything about it. Building anything is more or less a series of can'ts.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5541 on: August 02, 2020, 03:41:00 PM »
Well, you seem to have it all under control, so I can relax.

I meanwhile am a realist, the product of many years or reality crushing my soul.  I'll let the youngster charge windmills whilst I watch and have a beer.

Have at it.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5542 on: August 02, 2020, 03:44:04 PM »
Some people are results-oriented and others are process-oriented.  Being apathetic because the desired result isn't going to happen in your lifetime is results-oriented.  It may also be described as short-sighted or even selfish.  

Being optimistic of something happening down the road, and believing your actions will continue it (or even accelerate it a tiny bit) down the path is process-oriented.  It may also be described as sacrificial or an investment in our future.  

Reminds me of that ancient Greek proverb:  “A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit."

Some people don't give a damn about a great society, just a comfortable life.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5543 on: August 02, 2020, 03:52:20 PM »
Well, I don't give a hoot about what you view as selfish, obviously.  If you want to "do something" about the electoral college, be my guest.

I don't.  

 

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