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bayareabadger · « **Reply #5012 on:** July 17, 2020, 05:49:31 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 17, 2020, 04:04:32 PM

Honest question, because I have not dug in.

Have you dug into the numbers?

I mean, the contributors are where the most people live and also where big business lives. How much of the Illinois contribution is business? Like, McDonald's, Boeing, Abbott, etc.? They have a ton of employees, and not only do they pay taxes, they pay FICA, etc. Is FICA included? Medicare/aid?

Also, I'd like to know what Federal money means. Florida and Arizona "take" a lot more than they give.

If part of that is social security, and given the numbers, I suspect it is a part.

I do not consider FICA to be Federal money. I consider it mine, ours, and yours.

Because it is.

And, for 20 years, I've paid double for me as an employer of me. I'll never see it. Not even close.

It appears the answer is that FICA/SS is included.

Perhaps it is heavily retirement impacted, though you'd have to study that.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #5013 on:** July 17, 2020, 05:49:56 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on July 17, 2020, 04:08:11 PM

I hear ya. It doesn't seem fair.

If it honestly, truly bothers you, then you have the choice to move somewhere cheaper.

But not Texas.

Thank You For Your Support

I'll be over there in a minute, don't you worry.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #5014 on:** July 17, 2020, 05:51:32 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on July 17, 2020, 05:02:14 PM

I think there is some creative math in all of that, but the poorer states are going to receive more Medicaid and welfare per capita obviously.

The poverty levels are set nationally while the cost of living varies a LOT locally.

Sure. And states with less density will have less efficiency when it comes to services.

The weird ones, as were being discussed in the other thread, are your states with one massive urban center.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #5015 on:** July 17, 2020, 05:52:57 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on July 17, 2020, 04:08:11 PM

I hear ya. It doesn't seem fair.

If it honestly, truly bothers you, then you have the choice to move somewhere cheaper.

But not Texas.

Thank You For Your Support

Once the wife's best friend recovers from breast cancer, and then if I can get my boss to agree, we'll be neighbors.

utee94 · « **Reply #5016 on:** July 17, 2020, 11:01:01 PM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on July 17, 2020, 05:49:56 PM

I'll be over there in a minute, don't you worry.

Quote from: bwarbiany on July 17, 2020, 05:52:57 PM

Once the wife's best friend recovers from breast cancer, and then if I can get my boss to agree, we'll be neighbors.

GDit, you guys are a bunch of jackwagons!

I know you're kidding because I've seen in your posts how much each of you likes California, and there's plenty to like. I like California, too.

If I absolutely HAD to have some California transplant neighbors, y'all would be at the top of my list.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #5017 on:** July 18, 2020, 12:41:09 AM »

Quote from: utee94 on July 17, 2020, 11:01:01 PM

GDit, you guys are a bunch of jackwagons!

I know you're kidding because I've seen in your posts how much each of you likes California, and there's plenty to like. I like California, too.

If I absolutely HAD to have some California transplant neighbors, y'all would be at the top of my list.

Not joking. Seriously considering it. If I would have found a >lateral move position at your company I'd have already applied.

CWSooner · « **Reply #5018 on:** July 18, 2020, 01:35:07 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 17, 2020, 12:40:06 PM

Salaries come to mind. Mine got reduced. Many others I know aren't getting paid. What's good for one is good for all, no?

One size fits all? No.
Because schools are opening in Owasso, OK, with no masks required, all schools should open with no masks required? No.
Of course, your question was not a serious one.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5019 on:** July 18, 2020, 07:55:00 AM »

I think a mistake "we" often make is tending to think everywhere is sort of like where we live, and what we know, and places we know that are different are just viewed as contemptible, in the main. A New Yorker is apt to look down his nose at anyone from Owasso, OK, and probably think they are inbred hillbillies with no symphony of any note.

We stayed with a friend in Boston for a week who is an OB/GYN, super nice guy. I could tell from his book collection he was pretty liberal, though we never talked politics except he brought up guns fairly often, he was against them. He mentioned he had visited a friend in Montana and noted it was "really a different country, everyone had a gun, it was frightening".

I just agreed while noting that life in the country was a lot different from life in Newton, MA. He was well traveled, has an apartment in Paris, but he didn't know much at all about rural US. And he didn't care to.

I imagine someone in Owasso, OK, can probably get by with a lot less income than someone in Newton, MA, and that person likely shops a lot at Walmart, which no Newtonian would ever do.

I tend to be leery of "one size fits all" edicts and mandates coming down from DC. Maybe so, maybe not. I'm about finished with a biography of Grant and find it interesting how his Presidency increased the power of Federal government by quite a bit, in theory, but later Presidents chose often not to exercise that power, much, to protect specifically Freedmen in the South. Getting out of slavery was good of course, but what followed was in some ways worse. Grant was also sympathetic to the cause of the Native Americans, but had a hard time governing folks like Sheridan and the white settlers exploding into the West. Sheridan wanted all the bison killed off so as to control the Indians.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #5020 on:** July 18, 2020, 10:21:23 AM »

I had read Grant wasn't fond of Custer(after the Civil War) either - to ego driven as evidently he had designs on Political also.He stood right there with Sheridan as no friend of the native people

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5021 on:** July 18, 2020, 11:02:30 AM »

Grant knew Sheridan and Sherman well, he just had a different view of how native Americans should be treated.

His fault as President mainly was lack of oversight, according to this book. In the Army, people did what he told them pretty much.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #5022 on:** July 18, 2020, 12:41:27 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on July 18, 2020, 07:55:00 AM

I think a mistake "we" often make is tending to think everywhere is sort of like where we live, and what we know, and places we know that are different are just viewed as contemptible, in the main. A New Yorker is apt to look down his nose at anyone from Owasso, OK, and probably think they are inbred hillbillies with no symphony of any note.

We stayed with a friend in Boston for a week who is an OB/GYN, super nice guy. I could tell from his book collection he was pretty liberal, though we never talked politics except he brought up guns fairly often, he was against them. He mentioned he had visited a friend in Montana and noted it was "really a different country, everyone had a gun, it was frightening".

I just agreed while noting that life in the country was a lot different from life in Newton, MA. He was well traveled, has an apartment in Paris, but he didn't know much at all about rural US. And he didn't care to.

I imagine someone in Owasso, OK, can probably get by with a lot less income than someone in Newton, MA, and that person likely shops a lot at Walmart, which no Newtonian would ever do.

It's a weird gap. Many New Yorkers look down on Oklahomans. Many Oklahomans look down on New Yorkers. It's all kinda silly.

The Newton, Mass thing makes me laugh. He's what? Less than 15 miles from rural areas? It might take Cincy longer to get to rural spots than him.

I find myself of two minds about Walmart. On one hand, I like cheap stuff and don't have a ton of qualms about quality. On the other, they treat a lot of their employees quite badly and have caused a lot of damage to small towns, small businesses and the people who run them. They're kind of the logical end of economic efficiency, which is sometimes, good sometimes bad (I suppose I have the financial privilege to worry about such things, but that's another matter).

847badgerfan · « **Reply #5023 on:** July 18, 2020, 12:50:41 PM »

Nothing to see here. Everything's fine.

Six people were killed, and at least 25 people were wounded in shootings since 7:30 p.m. Friday into early Saturday morning, Chicago police said. The victims range in age from 14-years-old to 67.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5024 on:** July 18, 2020, 12:52:08 PM »

I use Walmart maybe twice a month to get "staples", things in cans or boxes, and the liquid yogurt the wife likes.

I figure the folks are not forced to work there if they can find a better job, they would (and many do I imagine). My save the world days are long over of course.

Newton is a longer drive from a rural area than 15 minutes in my experience. Apparently most of the residents have graduate degrees, or a high percentage anyway.

I didn't want my kids to go off and be around others with guns and not know some basic safety precepts, of course I let some pros train two of them. They aren't fascinated with guns, perhaps as a result.

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #5025 on:** July 18, 2020, 12:57:29 PM »

In looking up the populations of the towns in the area, it appears the cutoff for "having a Walmart" is 7.5k. Every town that has a population of that or higher has a Walmart of their own, even if they already border another town or two that has them. Every town of 7k or fewer does not have one, even if they are over a hundred miles away from the nearest Walmart.

It seems like the sweet spot for a small town is right about 3.5k to 5.5k; big enough to be self sustaining for the most part, and not under any immediate threat of "getting a Walmart."

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