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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4536 on: July 06, 2020, 07:24:30 PM »
No- I am not talking about a hit piece, or taking something out of context. I am talking about their publicly stated agenda and goals which are written and published in numerous places and for which they do not apologize they are actually proud of them.
Something out of context? The Acton piece is barely even about BLM... It's about M4BL, and conflates the two of them as being identical. 

So they look at the BLM organization (a loose structure as it is), see that someone or something in the BLM organization has a tie to the M4BL organization, and then looks for every possible way to construe all the worst things that the M4BL organization is looking for as the epitome of what BLM is all about. 

They take a group, state that it is part of and fully endorses another group, and then uses that other group to tar the first group with everything the second--more extreme--group wants.

And that doesn't seem deceptive to you? 


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4537 on: July 06, 2020, 07:25:51 PM »
Kap choose to GTFO if he hates it here so much. His tweet over the weekend was disgraceful.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4538 on: July 06, 2020, 07:29:56 PM »

How about you all here?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4539 on: July 06, 2020, 07:35:22 PM »
I mean, you brought me something meant to fearmonger and make a political point. Should I trust you'll not bring me more of that?

Here's the thing, I'm not going to pretend BLM is something I agree with on more than maybe a subject or two. I honestly think it's an organization too defuse and disorganized to have much in the way of guiding principles. I think they mostly exist as a manifestation of some feelings that makes noise and rattles cages (and I'm doubtful it translates to actual political power as say the noisy and cage rattling Tea Partiers of yesteryear).

I looked over the demands, well the copy of them since the original site with the coalition BLM apparently joined doesn't exist anymore. Some grandstanding to be sure. Most won't amount to a hill of beans. Shoot, even if their most limited aims come to pass, some kind of start on unbundling the police, I'd be more than surprised.
Also, if you don’t know where to look ( which is understandable because their agenda is off limits for MSM media and even their own website to a high degree)   Yes, look at their website, and you can see some of what they believe.  But go to their parent website, M4BL, and you can see every word of their agenda and platform.  

now after you have done that do you still think they are disorganized?   Because it is obvious to me that they are a political force to be reckoned with as mich as the Democratic or Republican Party.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4540 on: July 06, 2020, 07:40:26 PM »
I signed up for one of those food delivery services, mostly to try and get out of my cooking rut.  I was excited the first package included salmon, then when they shipped they said they were out of salmon

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4541 on: July 06, 2020, 07:40:35 PM »
Something out of context? The Acton piece is barely even about BLM... It's about M4BL, and conflates the two of them as being identical.

So they look at the BLM organization (a loose structure as it is), see that someone or something in the BLM organization has a tie to the M4BL organization, and then looks for every possible way to construe all the worst things that the M4BL organization is looking for as the epitome of what BLM is all about.

They take a group, state that it is part of and fully endorses another group, and then uses that other group to tar the first group with everything the second--more extreme--group wants.

And that doesn't seem deceptive to you?


 No.  BLM is a partner organization to M4BL.   In fact it appears to me BLM is the face of M4BL.  That is a very wise approach, if you want to keep the more “ transformational” changes they seek, in the background.

but if you listen and watch, much of the agenda of BLM is lightly stated under the umbrella of M4BL, where it is out there for all to see. Also, many of those ideas are being openly discussed by members of our current congress who also energetically support BLM.

but why do you suppose some of the major corporations, like Nike, avoid direct contributions to BLM?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4542 on: July 06, 2020, 07:42:52 PM »
Then no one can help you understand.  We should all move on, because dinosaurs don't evolve into people.


Cincy, how can you be so impressive on the Area 51 section and so lost here?
I don't believe in some statement of "goals" without a corresponding statement of enablement.

I want a lot of things in life, but enablement is the issue, not the wants.

This, to me, is BS without something concrete and actionable.  It's just palaver, at best.

And garbage at worst, mostly garbage to me.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4543 on: July 06, 2020, 07:43:02 PM »
I find you humorous at times. 

the question was being asked by several posters here, several times:  what do they want?  I simply shared BLM’s written words, and spoken words to answer that very simple question.  They have documented exactly what they want.  Exactly. 

That you call that fear mongering to make a political point, is a big swing and a miss, but in your defense that is the way of social media today when the facts upset a person’s narrative. 

I am not even judging their goals. That is not for me to say, although to show my open mindedness, I will admit that I actually think several of their ideas make sense to me.

Now here is where I see your opinion and respectfully disagree:  the things you say won’t amount to a hill of beans, in some case, enjoy broad support by a number of powerful voices within our elected officials.
I'm here for the humor.

I'm sorry you brought me something from a think tank that's pretty clear in how it has a narrative, and then say it's just unvarnished truth that I can't believe because it will upset my narrative. You won't listen to the MSM, and I'm probably not going to  read something that slathers its prose in drama. I'm sure I could find some lefty think tank that makes something seem scarier than it is. 

How are you defining broad support? Like broad enough to get things done? Or like a small cluster of famous politicians?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4544 on: July 06, 2020, 07:44:32 PM »
And I'm not talking about the official BLM whatever, I'm talking about the folks protesting, who likely do not know much at all about official BLM.

I'm trying to understand what THEY want.  If it's just emotional burfle, well, OK then.  If it's something specific than can be DONE, I'm interested.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4545 on: July 06, 2020, 07:47:36 PM »
I signed up for one of those food delivery services, mostly to try and get out of my cooking rut.  I was excited the first package included salmon, then when they shipped they said they were out of salmon
I've got more salmon than I know what to do with. I don't ship, but you can feel free to drive to Palatine and do a pickup.

In 3 weeks it will be a drive to Kenosha, as I'm out of here by July 31.

See you soon.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4546 on: July 06, 2020, 07:48:19 PM »
Also, if you don’t know where to look ( which is understandable because their agenda is off limits for MSM media and even their own website to a high degree)  Yes, look at their website, and you can see some of what they believe.  But go to their parent website, M4BL, and you can see every word of their agenda and platform. 

now after you have done that do you still think they are disorganized?  Because it is obvious to me that they are a political force to be reckoned with as mich as the Democratic or Republican Party. 
So the BLM goals are directly quoted from an organization that is associated with? Interesting.

And yeah, I still think their not very organized. I think they can bring certain emotions to bear at times, but lack either control or coherence. If you feel they're a political force on par with the two parties, I just think that sounds like shadow puppets cast large on a wall to scare the children. 

Whatever force it has is in being a vague idea, not much more than that. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4547 on: July 06, 2020, 08:12:25 PM »
I signed up for one of those food delivery services, mostly to try and get out of my cooking rut.  I was excited the first package included salmon, then when they shipped they said they were out of salmon
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4548 on: July 06, 2020, 08:13:07 PM »
I don't believe in some statement of "goals" without a corresponding statement of enablement.

I want a lot of things in life, but enablement is the issue, not the wants.

This, to me, is BS without something concrete and actionable.  It's just palaver, at best.

And garbage at worst, mostly garbage to me.
Isn't that the politicians' job?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4549 on: July 06, 2020, 08:15:03 PM »
I've got more salmon than I know what to do with. I don't ship, but you can feel free to drive to Palatine and do a pickup.

In 3 weeks it will be a drive to Kenosha, as I'm out of here by July 31.

See you soon.
Heh I have a hard time driving to aldis for it. I don't really love it, but part of that is not cooking it enough to get good at it. 

 

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