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847badgerfan

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4228 on: June 30, 2020, 08:57:23 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 30, 2020, 08:48:21 AM
What is the primary source of funding for gangs?

Bueller?

Take that away from them.
Drug money. From what I read, the drugs mostly come from Mexico. Some (meth) are manufactured in basements, but that accounts for very little of what is sold on the streets. Meth seems to be a white suburb thing, at least around here.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4229 on: June 30, 2020, 09:00:08 AM »
Money drives behavior.  Take away their source of money.  Legalize drugs, have dispensaries around the 'hood and elsewhere.

That war is not only lost, it's debilitating our neighborhoods.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4230 on: June 30, 2020, 09:08:00 AM »
Opioids, crack and heroine are not going to become legal.

Pot is legal in Chicago, so long as it's bought at a store and not on the street (think taxes).
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4231 on: June 30, 2020, 09:10:50 AM »
You asked for a solution, that is mine.

I realize it is not likely to happen.

The illegal drug thing is the most important aspect of fostering gangs in my view.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4232 on: June 30, 2020, 09:18:08 AM »
Practical ideas are welcome. :)
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4233 on: June 30, 2020, 09:20:00 AM »
Of course, there are problems with no practical solutions, we just have to live with them as best we may.

There is no "solution" for this one.  Nothing is going to alter the core dynamics until the money is severed.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4234 on: June 30, 2020, 09:35:22 AM »
So, I mentioned most of the drugs come through Mexico. I wonder how that could be solved.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4235 on: June 30, 2020, 09:36:49 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 30, 2020, 07:37:43 AM
How would one define being in a gang, legally?

"I am not in no gang."

"Yes you are."
I don't think it matters much, thanks to the RICO laws. The FEDS use the same laws on the gangs that they used to crush the Italian mafia.

I think between terrorism and Russia bullshit- the FBI just really hasn't been as focused on organized crime/gangs as it should be.

There was a time in the late 70s, 80s, and early 90s when that's all the FBI was doing basically- going after organized crime. They pretty much hammered the mafia into smithereens. They need to go after the street gangs with the same force and veracity that they went after the mafia.

I think the mafia regulated those street gangs basically. They put a squeeze and lid on them all, and once the FEDS took the mafia out it's become a wild west. And they aren't cracking down on the street gangs the way they cracked down on the mob. Not even close.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4236 on: June 30, 2020, 09:40:33 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 30, 2020, 09:35:22 AM
So, I mentioned most of the drugs come through Mexico. I wonder how that could be solved.
wall won't do much imo. the cartels have secret tunnels to smuggle alot of their drugs in. walls aren't going to stop the tunnels, and cartels also just drive right through the legal entry points in vehicles with hidden compartments filled with drugs. And vast majority of their drugs are smuggled into the country through the water. I think it's something like 90% of all drugs.

I hear people talk about the wall stopping immigration all the time- but over 2/3rds of all illegals are people who come over here on airplanes and just over-stay their visas. wall isn't going to do shit to stop that either.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4237 on: June 30, 2020, 09:45:59 AM »
Where there is demand, there will be supply.  I can't think of an exception (if the item demanded exists).

I'm reading a book about the Silk Road.  At one point, some Roman emperor passed a law that men could not wear silk.  He wanted to cut demand.

Needless to say ...

The Chinese tried to keep the source of silk a secret.  Needless to say ...
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4238 on: June 30, 2020, 09:48:05 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on June 30, 2020, 09:40:33 AM
wall won't do much imo. the cartels have secret tunnels to smuggle alot of their drugs in. walls aren't going to stop the tunnels, and cartels also just drive right through the legal entry points in vehicles with hidden compartments filled with drugs. And vast majority of their drugs are smuggled into the country through the water. I think it's something like 90% of all drugs.

I hear people talk about the wall stopping immigration all the time- but over 2/3rds of all illegals are people who come over here on airplanes and just over-stay their visas. wall isn't going to do shit to stop that either.

Need a wall and widespread use of ground penetrating radar, cameras and drones. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4239 on: June 30, 2020, 09:49:06 AM »
and supporting the Coast Guard to guard the coasts
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4240 on: June 30, 2020, 09:49:46 AM »
We have a long coast line.

I read some book, fiction, about drug dudes dropping packages out of light planes into a marshy area where it would be picked up by folks on the ground.

Struck me as pretty clever, and very very hard to interdict.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4241 on: June 30, 2020, 10:39:43 AM »
Does keeping drugs illegal limit availability?  Probably to a degree, but users have to come up with money for the drugs which leads to petty crime in most cases, doing anything they can to get $25 bucks for whatever., theft, prostitution, joining gangs, ...  The gangs control the trade obviously, and fight for turf, leading to drive bys.  The users still get stoned, hooked, devastated, etc.

Who are we protecting here?  What are the repercussions to all this effort?  Is the effort worth the expense and secondary ramifications?

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