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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3122 on: June 09, 2020, 02:17:47 PM »
I guess I’ve never viewed it as a diversionary tactic.  When my wife complains about the clutter in the garage I don’t think I’m changing the subject or avoiding the problem when I tell her 90 percent of the stuff is hers.  Doesn’t mean I don’t have stuff to clean out but I’m not sure that is the best way to get a clean garage.

When people complain about blacks being murdered by white cops I’ve never felt like it was a diversionary tactic to point out far more blacks are being killed by blacks.  If you want black lives to matter that seems like a good place to start.

That being said, I can appreciate the arguments that we should have a higher standard for cops than common criminals.  I guess I still view it as unusual, isolated incidents.
I actually agree with you. But, I can understand why some feel it is a distraction from what they feel is the more important issue. 
I think it is the BLM slogan that makes folks not at ease when that is not really what they are saying.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3123 on: June 09, 2020, 02:18:55 PM »
Texas Road House chili? 

Who would want to eat chili made by a restaurant that started out in Indiana?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3124 on: June 09, 2020, 02:25:21 PM »
I guess I’ve never viewed it as a diversionary tactic.  When my wife complains about the clutter in the garage I don’t think I’m changing the subject or avoiding the problem when I tell her 90 percent of the stuff is hers.  Doesn’t mean I don’t have stuff to clean out but I’m not sure that is the best way to get a clean garage.

When people complain about blacks being murdered by white cops I’ve never felt like it was a diversionary tactic to point out far more blacks are being killed by blacks.  If you want black lives to matter that seems like a good place to start.

It's a false analogy. If she was complaining about the clutter in the garage and you asked "well what about the cluttered kitchen cabinet?", that'd be the same thing.

A relevant tactic when discussing cop-on-black crime would be to compare it to cop-on-white crime to determine if the cop-on-citizen crime was racially motivated or racially disparate. A diversionary tactic would be to talk about citizen-on-citizen crime of any race, because it is irrelevant to the police doing their jobs without engaging in brutality.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3125 on: June 09, 2020, 02:25:46 PM »
It's amazing that folks can be so misinformed on any topic
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3126 on: June 09, 2020, 02:29:26 PM »
It's amazing to me how folks can be so misinformed about misinformed many people are in the world.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3127 on: June 09, 2020, 02:30:15 PM »
There should be outrage for all murderous activities. I'm outraged that Chicago just had its deadliest weekend on record, ever. I'm outraged that it's not being addressed.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3128 on: June 09, 2020, 02:35:17 PM »
It's a false analogy. If she was complaining about the clutter in the garage and you asked "well what about the cluttered kitchen cabinet?", that'd be the same thing.

A relevant tactic when discussing cop-on-black crime would be to compare it to cop-on-white crime to determine if the cop-on-citizen crime was racially motivated or racially disparate. A diversionary tactic would be to talk about citizen-on-citizen crime of any race, because it is irrelevant to the police doing their jobs without engaging in brutality.
Ok. I can accept that. But to take the analogy even further then to me it’s like if she is complaining about two boxes in the garage when you can’t walk through the kitchen because of the clutter.

Are we focusing on the biggest clutter problem we have?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3129 on: June 09, 2020, 02:42:38 PM »
It's a false analogy. If she was complaining about the clutter in the garage and you asked "well what about the cluttered kitchen cabinet?", that'd be the same thing.

A relevant tactic when discussing cop-on-black crime would be to compare it to cop-on-white crime to determine if the cop-on-citizen crime was racially motivated or racially disparate. A diversionary tactic would be to talk about citizen-on-citizen crime of any race, because it is irrelevant to the police doing their jobs without engaging in brutality.
Black Lives Matter is a misnomer, then.  That's not what the movement is about.  So no analogy is appropriate, because the movement itself isn't appropriately addressing its named cause.

The movement is about police violence against black people.  Which is fine, and reasonable, and just.  But to make an appropriate impact in the appropriate place-- to enable its own means to corrective action-- it should be called something else, something more specific, that targets the actual problem they're attempting to address.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3130 on: June 09, 2020, 02:52:59 PM »
Black Lives Matter is a misnomer, then.  That's not what the movement is about.  So no analogy is appropriate, because the movement itself isn't appropriately addressing its named cause.

The movement is about police violence against black people.  Which is fine, and reasonable, and just.  But to make an appropriate impact in the appropriate place-- to enable its own means to corrective action-- it should be called something else, something more specific, that targets the actual problem they're attempting to address.

Yes.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3131 on: June 09, 2020, 02:58:40 PM »
Black Lives Matter is a misnomer, then.  That's not what the movement is about.  So no analogy is appropriate, because the movement itself isn't appropriately addressing its named cause.

The movement is about police violence against black people.  Which is fine, and reasonable, and just.  But to make an appropriate impact in the appropriate place-- to enable its own means to corrective action-- it should be called something else, something more specific, that targets the actual problem they're attempting to address.

Amen. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3132 on: June 09, 2020, 02:59:52 PM »
hey, the BLM folks see this as a big boost to their cause, so of course they are going to run with it.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3133 on: June 09, 2020, 03:54:16 PM »
Ok. I can accept that. But to take the analogy even further then to me it’s like if she is complaining about two boxes in the garage when you can’t walk through the kitchen because of the clutter.

Are we focusing on the biggest clutter problem we have?

I don't know that we every 100 percent will. But we're focusing on one that can in theory be changed by a level of collective action. The police should be answerable to their people. 

Trying to solve the violence that comes with poverty, it's simply a worlds more complex problem, and that's saying something because some of the issues with police violence are plenty complex. That doesn't mean people haven't tried to solve it (not super effectively), or won't keep trying to solve it (though there is admittedly not much agreed upon path forward). 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3134 on: June 09, 2020, 04:04:28 PM »
Black Lives Matter is a misnomer, then.  That's not what the movement is about.  So no analogy is appropriate, because the movement itself isn't appropriately addressing its named cause.

The movement is about police violence against black people.  Which is fine, and reasonable, and just.  But to make an appropriate impact in the appropriate place-- to enable its own means to corrective action-- it should be called something else, something more specific, that targets the actual problem they're attempting to address.

The Tea Party movement was not about tea nor parties nor the act of looting for which it was originally named. The World Series does not include teams from across the world.

Looking over their website, economic injustice and access to quality education get mentioned. These seem like they would address that. 


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3135 on: June 09, 2020, 04:06:37 PM »
The Tea Party movement was not about tea nor parties nor the act of looting for which it was originally named. The World Series does not include teams from across the world.

Looking over their website, economic injustice and access to quality education get mentioned. These seem like they would address that.


You've provided two excellent examples of other poorly or incorrectly named entities.  So... thanks for making my point, I guess?

 

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