2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread

[OrangeAfroMan]

I hear you on the advanced metrics, I love stats, and they're genuinely a better way to rate things.  BUT, it doesn't change the scoreboard in your favor, either.  

[MaximumSam]

I hear you on the advanced metrics, I love stats, and they're genuinely a better way to rate things.  BUT, it doesn't change the scoreboard in your favor, either. 

Jameis threw seven pick sixes last year.  That's 42 points against the defense while they were watching from the sidelines

[ELA]

FOURTH ROUND

107	Bengals	G Logan Stenberg, Kentucky
108	Redskins	WR Van Jefferson, Florida
109	Lions	DE Alton Robinson, Syracuse
110	Giants	WR K.J. HILL, OHIO STATE
111	Texans (MIA)	WR Bryan Edwards, South Carolina
112	Raiders (LAC)	S Brandon Jones, Texas
113	Panthers	G Solomon Kindley, Georgia
114	Cardinals	C Nick Harris, Washington
115	Browns	DT Rashard Lawrence, LSU
116	Jaguars	DT Jason Strowbridge, North Carolina
117	Seahawks (TB)	T Saahdiq Charles, LSU
118	Broncos	DE KENNY WILLEKES, MICHIGAN STATE
119	Falcons	RB A.J. Dillon, Boston College
120	Jets	G John Simpson, Oregon
121	Raiders	DT Leki Fotu, Utah
122	Packers (IND)	TE Harrison Bryant, Florida Atlantic
123	Cowboys	CB A.J. Green, Oklahoma State
124	Steelers	G Shane Lemieux, Oregon
125	Patriots (CHI)	OLB Willie Gay Jr., Mississippi State
126	Rams	RB ANTHONY MCFARLAND JR., MARYLAND
127	Eagles	G Hakeem Adenji, Kansas
128	Bills	DT Larrell Murchison, NC State
129	Ravens (NE)	WR Collin Johnson, Texas
130	Saints	WR TYLER JOHNSON, MINNESOTA
131	Cardinals (HOU)	TE BRYCEN HOPKINS, PURDUE
132	Vikings	S K'Von Wallace, Clemson
133	Seahawks	RB Ke'Shawn Vaughn, Vanderbilt
134	Ravens	ILB Jacob Phillips, LSU
135	Steelers (MIA)(TEN)	T Jack Driscoll, Auburn
136	Packers	T Ben Bartch, St. John's (MN)
137	Jaguars (SF) (DEN)	DE Nick Coe, Auburn
138	Chiefs	DE Alex Highsmith, Charlotte
139	Steelers (TB)	WR Gabriel Davis, Central Florida
140	Jaguars (CHI)	OLB Davion Taylor, Colorado
141	Dolphins	S Julian Blackmon, Utah
142	Redskins	T Trey Adams, Washington
143	Falcons (BAL)	CB MICHAEL OJEMUDIA, IOWA
144	Seahawks	DT McTelvin Agim, Arkansas
145	Eagles	CB LAMAR JACKSON, NEBRASKA
146	Eagles	QB Anthony Gordon, Washington State

[OrangeAfroMan]

Jameis threw seven pick sixes last year.  That's 42 points against the defense while they were watching from the sidelines

Okay, that moves them up from 29th to 24th.  Fantastic.

[Cincydawg]

These draft projections, do they have ANY value past the first round (assuming they get a few right in round one)?

Are folks interested in the tight end in the fourth round and the 7,198th pick in the draft?

We already have, I think, opinions that Burrow is at least a notch or two below Luck/Palmer/Stafford, right?  Those three panned out aside from injuries (which of course is a reason not to draft anyone Numero Uno).  Burrow is not Manziel, I think we would agree, so he likely will be a pretty good NFL QB, just not a "sure thing" (??).

[rolltidefan]

my thing with burrow is the consistency. last year was beyond phenomenal and we've seen he can be elite in decision making and reading a defense. and he did it for the entire season and against the best cfb has to offer, so those are major points for him. but it was only 1 season with at least a couple more we've seen when it was just ok. guys grow, and he certainly did, but the only worry i'd have about him is how much was that tied to his coaches. arm talent, size, etc is all nice, but it's his head/reads that make the qb. brady is a perfect example and manning towards end of his career arm was shot, but he was still effective if not great. burrow has more than enough arm talent to make it, just can he keep up the insane decision making and reads he did last season. dude was fun to watch pick apart defenses though.

tua, on the other hand, was remarkably consistent in his picking apart defenses for his entire career. his biggest worry is obvious to everyone... health.

[Mdot21]

Same wavelength, but I have Thomas and Taylor off the board when they come up, but getting Mekhi Becton and JK Dobbins instead

As long as they get a legit starting tackle in the 1st and a really solid RB in the 2nd or 3rd- they will basically transform that offense into something that is almost impossible to stop. Dobbins would be a great fit for any offense, he's being slept on by so many people. And Becton might have the most upside of any tackle in the draft.

I have to admit though, I'd be really intrigued to see Jonathan Taylor with the Bucs. Adding a nearly 230 pound RB that can run inside and out and hit the homerun with 4.38 speed to go along with the WR/TE crew of Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Gronk, OJ Howard, and Cameron Brate would be like a cheat code.

[FearlessF]

my thing with burrow is the consistency. last year was beyond phenomenal and we've seen he can be elite in decision making and reading a defense. and he did it for the entire season and against the best cfb has to offer, so those are major points for him. but it was only 1 season with at least a couple more we've seen when it was just ok. guys grow, and he certainly did, but the only worry i'd have about him is how much was that tied to his coaches. arm talent, size, etc is all nice, but it's his head/reads that make the qb. brady is a perfect example and manning towards end of his career arm was shot, but he was still effective if not great. burrow has more than enough arm talent to make it, just can he keep up the insane decision making and reads he did last season. dude was fun to watch pick apart defenses though.

tua, on the other hand, was remarkably consistent in his picking apart defenses for his entire career. his biggest worry is obvious to everyone... health.

see wonderlic scores

[FearlessF]

FOURTH ROUND

132	Vikings	S K'Von Wallace, Clemson
133	Seahawks	RB Ke'Shawn Vaughn, Vanderbilt
134	Ravens	ILB Jacob Phillips, LSU
135	Steelers (MIA)(TEN)	T Jack Driscoll, Auburn
136	Packers	T Ben Bartch, St. John's (MN)
137	Jaguars (SF) (DEN)	DE Nick Coe, Auburn
138	Chiefs	DE Alex Highsmith, Charlotte
139	Steelers (TB)	WR Gabriel Davis, Central Florida
140	Jaguars (CHI)	OLB Davion Taylor, Colorado
141	Dolphins	S Julian Blackmon, Utah
142	Redskins	T Trey Adams, Washington
143	Falcons (BAL)	CB MICHAEL OJEMUDIA, IOWA
144	Seahawks	DT McTelvin Agim, Arkansas
145	Eagles	CB LAMAR JACKSON, NEBRASKA
146	Eagles	QB Anthony Gordon, Washington State

Speilman isn't the brightest and Zimmer loves defensive picks, but the Vikings are strong at Safety
they have more need at CB, Tackle, and WR

[rolltidefan]

see wonderlic scores

saw them. and?

[FearlessF]

Tua didn't fare as well as Burrow

I didn't check hand sizes - those seem to be important as well

I'd take Burrow in the first round, not the others

[ELA]

FIFTH ROUND

147	Bengals	ILB MARKUS BAILEY, PURDUE
148	Panthers (WAS)	WR Quartney Davis, Texas A&N
149	Lions	RB Lamical Perine, Florida
150	Giants	DE D.J. Wonnum, South Carolina
151	Chargers	ILB JOE BACHIE, MICHIGAN STATE
152	Panthers	CB LAVERT HILL, MICHIGAN
153	Dolphins (ARI)(MIA)	WR Isaiah Hodgins, Oregon State
154	Dolphins (PIT)(JAX)	DE Jonathan Garvin, Miami
155	Vikings (BUF)(CLE)	DE Trevis Gipson, Tulsa
156	49ers (DEN)	WR Lynn Bowden Jr., Kentucky
157	Jaguars (BAL)(ATL)	C Darryl Williams, Mississippi State
158	Jets	WR James Proche, SMU
159	Chargers (LV)	RB Eno Benjamin, Arizona State
160	Packers (IND)	CB Essang Bassey, Wake Forest
161	Steelers (TB)	RB Antonio Gibson, Memphis
162	Redskins (SEA)(PIT)	T Alex Taylor, SC State
163	Bears	T Terence Steele, Texas Tech
164	Cowboys	DT RAEKWON WILLIAMS, MICHIGAN STATE
165	Jaguars (LAR)	ILB David Woodward, Utah State
166	Lions (PHI)	ILB Evan Weaver, California
167	Bills	CB JOSIAH SCOTT, MICHIGAN STATE
168	Eagles (NE)	OLB KHALEKE HUDSON, MICHIGAN
169	Saints	G Justin Herron, Wake Forest
170	Ravens (MIN)	G Danny Pinter, Ball State
171	Texans	RB Darrynton Evans, Appalachian State
172	Patriots (DET)(SEA)	S J.R. Reed, Georgia
173	Dolphins (LAR)(BAL)	CB Harrison Hand, Temple
174	Titans	TE Thaddeus Moss, LSU
175	Broncos (GB)	S GENO STONE, IOWA
176	49ers	S ANTOINE BROOKS JR., MARYLAND
177	Chiefs	OLB Justin Strnad, Wake Forest
178	Broncos	T Calvin Throckmorton, Oregon
179	Cowboys	OLB CAM BROWN, PENN STATE

TRADES:
Raiders trade Pick #159 to Chargers for 6th Round (#186) and 7th Round (#220)
Packers trade Pick #175 to Broncos for 6th Round (#181) and 7th Round (#254)

[MrNubbz]

see wonderlic scores

Different animal picking apart NFL defenses,of course could have been a bad score.Factoring in health concerns though he's not 1st rd material IMO

[bayareabadger]

I hear you on the advanced metrics, I love stats, and they're genuinely a better way to rate things.  BUT, it doesn't change the scoreboard in your favor, either. 

I mean, PPG is a context-heavy stat at times, certianly when the offense commits a turnover 20 percent of the time.

In a few more "tempo-free" stats, Tampa ranked:
6th in yards per play
A so-so 17th in point per drive
Sixth in average drive distance
Tied for sixth in red zone TD percentage allowed
First in opponents drives overall

So at the very least, that PPG is impacted a good bit. Who knows if that stays the case, but one can reasonably say Tommy inherits what very reasonably could be a good defense on the other side.