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Topic: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness

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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #462 on: August 29, 2020, 12:18:59 PM »
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #463 on: August 29, 2020, 02:11:49 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 29, 2020, 12:01:59 PM
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That's essentially the problem with all modern supercars. The average driver can drive them fast without ever having learned to drive them well. Because the limits of the car are so beyond driver skill [or driver bravery] that they don't even know what it's like to control a car at the limit. 

Sure doesn't seem to be hurting their sales, though :57:
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #464 on: August 29, 2020, 02:48:46 PM »
Tis better to learn on a slow car.  I learned I'm not a very fast driver on the COTA track with a fast car.  The cars had limits I did not really wish to test, I don't know where they were really.  We only had one day and we did a lot of different things during the day, so I never got comfortable at any speed, except going straight flat out, and that was rather fun really.

I can get into a cloverleaf with the GTI and load up some Gs, but if the wife is with me, she holds on and I t end to back off, she doesn't complain.  They did a good job managing understeer in the FWD car I think.
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #465 on: August 29, 2020, 03:01:16 PM »
Exactly. That's why if I were to get a track day car, I'd consider something like the Miata. I'd rather flog a Miata at 9.5/10ths than go faster in a "supercar" at 7/10ths because I'm terrified to stuff it. 
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #466 on: August 29, 2020, 03:04:12 PM »
It was pretty fun to engage the launch thingee.  You BURY the brake pedal as hard as you can and then bury the throttle, the things we were taught never to do.  RPMs come up to a set point depending on ambient temperature, engine temperature, tire temperate, etc., usually around 1800, then you let off the brake, and the car shudders a bit as the tires try and bite and catches and you're off.

The tires get replaced after one day of track, at some $450 per.

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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #467 on: August 29, 2020, 03:21:42 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 29, 2020, 03:04:12 PM
It was pretty fun to engage the launch thingee.  
I'm sure it's fun, but IMHO electronic launch control removes all the fun and skill of drag racing. 
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #468 on: August 29, 2020, 03:28:35 PM »
It takes the skill out, I don't know about fun.  If I could practice many times I might get close to what it can do, maybe, probably not.

If you just buried the throttle, this car would just burn its tires and barely move, we tried that a few times with the nannies off.

We spent some time on a wet circle trying to drift, that was kinda fun.  Nannies off.
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #469 on: August 29, 2020, 05:55:24 PM »
Yesterday I got to drive Utah State Rt 12 on my way home from Fish Lake. It was the "scenic route" both figuratively and literally. It was a high road that overlooked Capital Reef and Grand Staircase. There was a part of the drive that was like Angel's Landing in Zion in that it just went straight down on both sides of the road for a thousand feet each way (featured in the beginning of the attached video). No guardrails of course. You also go by Brice Canyon and Red Rock Canyon. Spectacular drive.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9e6P2CSuDc
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #470 on: August 29, 2020, 06:22:07 PM »
Route 12 is "famous" as being perhaps the most spectacular drive in the US.  Utah is pretty spectacular in odd corners and nooks as well.  We would fly into LV where rental cars are cheap and get a Mustang convertible and drive up into Utah for a week, great vacation.

I don't like the Mustang's power train at all though.
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #471 on: August 29, 2020, 06:23:58 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 29, 2020, 06:22:07 PM
Route 12 is "famous" as being perhaps the most spectacular drive in the US.  Utah is pretty spectacular in odd corners and nooks as well.  We would fly into LV where rental cars are cheap and get a Mustang convertible and drive up into Utah for a week, great vacation.

I don't like the Mustang's power train at all though.
What power train are you talking about?
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #472 on: August 29, 2020, 06:34:53 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on August 29, 2020, 06:23:58 PM
What power train are you talking about?
The rentals are the 4 cylinder turbo and that 10 speed automatic.  The transmission tuning is horrible, really bad, and the engine makes putrid sounds.

Maybe the one we got was worn out, I don't know, but it was unimpressive and the steering was numb.  I wouldn't mind the V8 version I'm sure.
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #473 on: August 29, 2020, 06:37:59 PM »
Hmm... Zion is only about a 7 hr drive from here. Maybe that should be a little COVID getaway for my wife and I. While I've been to Utah a few times, it's always been the SLC area, and then only for business. And I'm pretty sure she's never been to Utah anywhere.

Then the question is whether to take the Jeep and plan on doing some off-roading, or just try to make it a scenic (from the roads) trip...
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #474 on: August 29, 2020, 06:41:46 PM »
First trip I'd suggest driving a comfortable car, the distances are pretty long obviously, and then you could spot where you might want to Jeep later.
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #475 on: August 29, 2020, 06:47:35 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 29, 2020, 06:34:53 PM
The rentals are the 4 cylinder turbo and that 10 speed automatic.  The transmission tuning is horrible, really bad, and the engine makes putrid sounds.

Maybe the one we got was worn out, I don't know, but it was unimpressive and the steering was numb.  I wouldn't mind the V8 version I'm sure.
I haven't driven it, but the thought of the 2.3-liter EcoBoost engine just doesn't ring my bell.  Nor does the 10-speed auto.  Is the power band on that engine so narrow that the transmission needs to constantly shift to keep the revs just right?
My Boss 302's 5-liter, backed by a 6-speed standard, is a joy.
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