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Topic: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness

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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #322 on: August 23, 2020, 09:41:25 PM »
That’s not fun.  I witnessed a murder when I was 18 and it still haunts me.
A guy got shot in the leg.  I assume he'll be fine.  I just really wanted to emphasize to the police that the guy with the gun did everything he could not to use it.  
It was some homeless guys outside a McDonalds, then across a major street.  Crazy.  
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #323 on: August 23, 2020, 10:02:07 PM »
A guy got shot in the leg.  I assume he'll be fine.  I just really wanted to emphasize to the police that the guy with the gun did everything he could not to use it. 
It was some homeless guys outside a McDonalds, then across a major street.  Crazy. 
Arizona doesnt require a carry permit so if hes 21 and it was self defense he should be ok

course it doesnt hurt to have a witness that supports the self defense claim
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #324 on: August 23, 2020, 11:04:11 PM »
I like to go out and shoot on the Arizona St south of town. It is mostly dirt roads that have absolutely nothing on them. 

It is kind of scary when other people are out there shooting though. You never know what kind of jackass might be out there brandishing a firearm. 

There are a lot of people that just squat out there in their campers, particularly during this pandemic, and it can get a little "Hills Have Eyes"ish at times. It has always been kind of a lawless area; as you can venture out dozens of miles from the nearest paved road. 

There isn't even a paved road south of St George. The only paved highway across the Arizona strip crosses the state line into Utah, and traverses the entirety of St George before you can catch I-15 back into Arizona. Then the stretch of I-15 that crosses the NW corner of Arizona doesn't have any access at all to the rest of that state. If you want to cross the Grand Canyon from there, you have to leave the state and go through either St George or Las Vegas. You can cross at Lake Powell or Lake Mead, but nowhere in between. 
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #325 on: August 24, 2020, 12:16:10 PM »
You didn't like the Chevy Cavalier with Caddy stickers on it??

I mean, it came standard with A/C and an AM/FM radio!!
Hey, don't sell them short, they also had power seats!

I only know this because a friend of mine had a Cavalier and wanted power seats so he found a wrecked Cimmaron in a scrap yard and bought the seats.  I helped swap them out.  

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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #326 on: August 24, 2020, 12:30:20 PM »
Cadillac is an interesting story, much like Buick and Oldsmobile. They all had an "image" that they were premium products for high-SES adults. But when the German and Japanese luxury brands came in, "younger" drivers grew to view a BMW or Lexus as a status symbol and a Cadillac/Buick/Olds as "what dad drives".

So they never really replaced their consumer base, and then their consumer base started dying of old age. Oldsmobile didn't survive, Buick is trying to pivot, and Cadillac seems to be all over the place.

I wonder how much of this is that those brands never really tried to create an "entry" model. Something like the BMW 3-series or Lexus iS. A car that's expensive enough to be aspirational but inexpensive and stylish enough to appeal to a well-to-do <30 year old. I feel like Cadillac and Buick are trying to do this... And not quite succeeding.
GM's incompetence is legendary.  I think the main problem is that the organization (GM as a whole) is so huge that it is almost inherent that there are parts of it always doing things that seem to make sense locally (ie, within that brand) but make no sense on an entity-wide basis.  

My example: killing off Pontiac and trying to rebrand Buick as a performance make (like an American BMW).  

When I was a kid GM had _ brands:
  • Chevrolet - basically entry level on up
  • Buick - a slightly overpriced chevrolet
  • Pontiac - a slightly overpriced chevrolet
  • Oldsmobile - a more overpriced chevrolet
  • Cadillac - Sometimes a stand-alone luxury brand, other times a REALLY overpriced chevrolet (see the Cimmaron)

Then they added Saturn which was supposed to be like an American Toyota I think and Hummer which was purely an expensive SUV.  

Five was WAY too many brands.  Way back in the '50's and '60's there was some differentiation but even back then they shared an awful lot of parts.  My dad drove a parts truck for a Cadillac dealership when he was in HS (mid-late 50's) and even then the parts all said "GM".  Worse, if you got a chance to peek at the cross-referenced parts book you could see that a given part was available for all five brands:
  • $2 for Chevrolet
  • $3 for Buick
  • $3 for Pontiac
  • $3 for Oldsmobile
  • $4 for Cadillac

Adding Saturn and Hummer was just incredibly stupid.  They should have known by the mid 80's (at the latest) that they didn't need five brands and that three would be plenty.  Those three should be:
  • Entry Level:  Chevrolet is obvious for this
  • Performance:  This should be the survivor out of Buick/Pontiac/Oldsmobile
  • Luxury:  Cadillac is obvious for this

Way back in the 1980's they should have folded Buick, Pontiac, and Oldsmobile into one brand and made it their "performance" brand.  

Buick, Pontiac, and Oldsmobile each had some history of building performance cars.  However, to their credit, starting no later than the early 90's Pontiac really catered to that niche.  They spent millions on ads that all of us saw during CFB games selling "Driving Excitement" and built some pretty good sporty cars.  

So when GM finally hit the wall and they had already killed off Oldsmobile they had to kill either Buick or Pontiac and what did they do?  

Did they keep the one (Pontiac) that had done a decent job developing a performance reputation?  

Nope, they killed Pontiac and kept Buick which had an "old man's car" reputation.  Now they are spending millions trying to rebrand Buick as a performance make.  

My understanding is that they did this because apparently Buick was more established in the emerging markets.  Ok, why?  Whose dumbass idea was that?  


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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #327 on: August 24, 2020, 12:53:31 PM »
Yeah, I agree with all of that.  I actually owned a 1982 Cimmaron, with a manual transmission.  I wanted a nice small car with good mpgs.  I got it off the lot at the end of the year and it was priced lower than the Chevy's with somewhat similar equipment.  The main issue with it was it had only 88 horsepower and even with the 4 speed manual, it was SLOW.

I put 130,000 miles on that sucker, and it got 34-35 mpg on the highway (55 mph speed limits).  It had a carburetor that was problematic.  The next year had simple FI.

It was a nicer car than a top of the line Chevy.

I sold it to some guy at work who was still driving it last I knew of him.  My neighbor bought a Honda Accord at the same time as I did and lectured me on how much more reliable it was than mine.  He later told me he was paying $150 for an oil change (I changed my own) and his car rusted out in about 4 years.  I didn't say anything but I had fun washing my car when he was around.

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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #328 on: August 24, 2020, 01:39:03 PM »
Don't forget the GMC line.
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #329 on: August 24, 2020, 01:40:15 PM »
Buick as a performance car?

what's their version of the Camaro?

or just Buick's hottest performance offering?  Anything with a V8?
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #330 on: August 24, 2020, 01:52:09 PM »
Just ordered my lift kit for the Jeep. 

It's back-ordered so probably won't get everything in hand until sometime mid-late Sept. 

Which is good because I'm thinking of installing it myself, and I want to wait until this weather breaks anyway. 

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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #331 on: August 24, 2020, 02:15:47 PM »
Buick as a performance car?

what's their version of the Camaro?

or just Buick's hottest performance offering?  Anything with a V8?
Back in the day, the 442.

Pontiac had a much more pronounced performance heritage than Buick, the GTO and Firebird of course.  I heard Buick described as the car for dentists, and the Caddy as the car for MDs.




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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #332 on: August 24, 2020, 02:16:16 PM »
What does lift do for a Jeep beyond the obvious?

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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #333 on: August 24, 2020, 02:27:19 PM »
Back in the day, the 442.

Pontiac had a much more pronounced performance heritage than Buick, the GTO and Firebird of course.  I heard Buick described as the car for dentists, and the Caddy as the car for MDs.




That was Olds. I had one. Buick had the GS.
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #334 on: August 24, 2020, 02:41:17 PM »
What does lift do for a Jeep beyond the obvious?
For off-roading, the lift and then bigger wheels/tires increase ground clearance, which is obviously important driving over things. Also this increases the approach, break-over, and departure angles, which allows you to drive over bigger things. Beyond that, the change in springs and shocks can improve [or reduce] ride quality and maintain handling relative to stock--one of the key aspects in my selection was that the kit was very highly rated on those metrics. 

Beyond that, the advantage is visual. I'm not going for some gigantic lift, but a moderate lift and [eventually] moving to 35" tires looks cool. Finally, stock Jeeps Wranglers come with a factory rake (front end slightly lower than the rear), and many lift kits level this which many people like visually.  

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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #335 on: August 24, 2020, 02:46:34 PM »
checking the Buick line up their best performance seems to be the GS - grand sport

3.6L V6
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19" wheels and a sport mesh grille with Piano Black finish to its distinctive lower rocker panels and front air scoops accented in brushed satin, Regal GS is a luxury sedan that’s ready to thrill. And spoiler alert, it also has a sleek rear spoiler.

GS-exclusive racing-inspired front seats feature thigh support and electronically adjustable lumbar bolsters to help you customize your command of the cockpit. And with massaging, heated and ventilated front seats

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doesn't compare to Chevy's camaro

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